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Thursday, August 27, 2015

Disruptive Technology is the Death Knell for Mesoamerican theory

In the last few weeks, I've heard the death knell for the Mesoamerican theory ringing loudly.

(Obviously, this is a metaphor; in a literal sense, a death knell is the ringing of a bell to announce a death. I clarify this because metaphors have been popping up lately in surprising places.)

I recognized the death knell when I read Matt Roper's review yesterday, which includes this claim: "The Lost City of Zarahemla: From Iowa to Guatemala and Back Again is the latest manifestation of an ideological movement currently popular on the periphery of Mormon culture." (emphasis added) That sounded like a nice description of disruptive technology (another metaphor).

Here's an explanation of disruptive technology:

"Harvard Business School professor Clayton M. Christensen coined the term disruptive technology... Christensen separates new technology into two categories: sustaining and disruptive. Sustaining technology relies on incremental improvements to an already established technology. Disruptive technology lacks refinement, often has performance problems because it is new, appeals to a limited audience, and may not yet have a proven practical application. (Such was the case with Alexander Graham Bell's "electrical speech machine," which we now call the telephone.)

"In his book, Christensen points out that large corporations are designed to work with sustaining technologies. They excel at knowing their market, staying close to their customers, and having a mechanism in place to develop existing technology. Conversely, they have trouble capitalizing on the potential efficiencies, cost-savings, or new marketing opportunities created by low-margin disruptive technologies. Using real-world examples to illustrate his point, Christensen demonstrates how it is not unusual for a big corporation to dismiss the value of a disruptive technology because it does not reinforce current company goals, only to be blindsided as the technology matures, gains a larger audience and market share and threatens the status quo."

Here are a few examples of disruptive technologies: 
  • The personal computer (PC) displaced the typewriter and forever changed the way we work and communicate.
  • The Windows operating system's combination of affordability and a user-friendly interface was instrumental in the rapid development of the personal computing industry in the 1990s. Personal computing disrupted the television industry, as well as a great number of other activities. 
  • Email transformed the way we communicating, largely displacing letter-writing and disrupting the postal and greeting card industries. 
  • Cell phones made it possible for people to call us anywhere and disrupted the telecom industry.
  • The laptop computer and mobile computing made a mobile workforce possible and made it possible for people to connect to corporate networks and collaborate from anywhere. In many organizations, laptops replaced desktops. 
  • Smartphones largely replaced cell phones and PDAs and, because of the available apps, also disrupted: pocket cameras, MP3 players, calculators and GPS devices, among many other possibilities. For some mobile users, smartphones often replace laptops. Others prefer a tablet.
  • Cloud computing has been a hugely disruptive technology in the business world, displacing many resources that would conventionally have been located in-house or provided as a traditionally hosted service. 
  • Social networking has had a major impact on the way we communicate and -- especially for personal use -- disrupting telephone, email, instant messaging and event planning.

The parallels are apparent.

The Mesoamerican theory has been the established technology for decades. Its proponents consist of a citation cartel comprised of around a dozen people who confirm one another's biases, generally through the Interpreter, BMAF, and FairMormon. They repeat the same tired arguments, ignore criticism, and fight any "novel" approaches that threaten their hegemony.

And yet, thanks to the Internet, the Joseph Smith Papers, and social media, the theory is imploding. Here are some indicia.

1. The Maxwell Institute has effectively abandoned the Mesoamerican theory. It has published nothing on it since Mormon's Codex, a book that looks impressive but sets out criteria, or filters, that the Mesoamerican theory doesn't meet. See this for an overview.

2. The Interpreter, the online journal that is the successor of FARMS (which the Maxwell Institute absorbed and then dissolved) has a handful of die-hard Mesoamericanists who continue to publish in this area, but their work is both increasingly defensive and increasingly indefensible. I've reviewed the two latest examples here: Roper and Gardner.

3. The latest FAIR conference barely touched on the topic, except for Brant Gardner's presentation about his book, Traditions of the Fathers. It was an excellent presentation and it's an excellent book, but not because it supports the Mesoamerican theory. Instead, the book adds a new layer of "Sorenson translation" complexity about Mayan culture that, IMO veers even further from the actual text. One example is here. The most important thing to come out of the FAIR conference was Gardner's point: "Please don't be sad about good scholarship." In that sense, the death knell is nothing to be sad about.

4. On key issues, the Mesoamerican position is crumbling.

 - Fit. One pillar of the Mesoamerican theory is supposed to be that it fits the text. But in Traditions of the Fathers, Gardner asserts that the sea north and the sea south mentioned in the text are purely metaphorical; i.e., they don't exist. If the only way you can fit the geography to the text is to claim that where the geography doesn't fit, the text is metaphorical, then I'd say you don't have a fit.

- Cumorah: Whitmer. Another pillar of the Mesoamerican theory is that the New York Cumorah is not the Book of Mormon Cumorah, which is supposedly in Mesoamerica somewhere. The idea that the New York Cumorah was the scene of the final battles developed as a tradition among early Saints who just assumed the hill where Joseph found the plates was the hill Cumorah. True, David Whitmer said he learned the name Cumorah from a heavenly being who was traveling toward the New York hill, but, according to the Mesoamericans, he was an old man whose memory was unreliable. But now Roper has claimed that Whitmer's memory, five years after he related the Cumorah account, was excellent and reliable. When the Mesoamericanists can't get their story straight even on one of their pillars, the pillar is cracking.

- Cumorah: Cowdery. With input from Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery wrote a letter to W.W. Phelps that contained a detailed description of the final battles in the valley west of the New York Hill Cumorah. It was published in the Messenger and Advocate in Kirtland. A few months later, Joseph Smith directed his scribes to copy Cowdery's letter into his journal as his personal story. (This is in the same book that contains what is now Joseph Smith-History in the Pearl of Great Price.) A few months after that, the Savior, Moses, Elias, and Elijah appeared to Joseph and Oliver in the Kirtland temple. Later, Joseph Smith gave Benjamin Winchester express permission to republish the letters in the Gospel Reflector. About the same time, Joseph's brother Don Carlos republished the letters in the Times and Seasons. In 1844 a pamphlet containing the letters was published in England. The only response the Mesoamericanists give to this is that Cowdery was acting alone and speculating--and he was wrong. To the extent Joseph helped him write the letter, he, too, was speculating--and was wrong. Fewer and fewer believers accept that explanation.

- Premise. A third pillar of the Mesoamerican theory is that Joseph Smith wrote or approved of the 1842 Times and Seasons articles that placed Zarahemla in Quirigua, showing he changed his mind about Book of Mormon geography toward the end of his life, leaning toward Mesoamerica. However, the historical and stylometric evidence shows Joseph couldn't have written the articles, and so far not a single document has been found directly linking Joseph Smith to any Mesoamerican setting.

- Popular elements. Mesoamerican theory has been popular because it involves exotic locations and has the appearance of scholarly authentication of the Book of Mormon. However, once-popular elements such as Quetzalcoatl and the Lehi "Tree of Life stone," or Izapa Stela 5, have been shown even by Mesoamericanists to have nothing to do with the Book of Mormon. Ordinary believers in the Mesoamerican theory are sad to hear this, which is what prompted Gardner's "Don't be sad about good scholarship" comment.

- Viable alternative. When believing LDS people learn about a viable setting in North America as an alternative to the problematic setting in Mesoamerica, many readily prefer the North American setting. Many believing LDS people don't realize that the Mesoamerican theory excludes the New York Cumorah as a Book of Mormon site. When this is explained to them, they become skeptical of Mesoamerica, not New York.

Those are enough examples to make the point.

One phrase in Roper's article caught my attention: "The periphery of Mormon culture." I attended the FAIR MORMON conference a few weeks ago. They had one meeting hall, one presentation at a time, over two days, for a total of 14 presentations. They have once conference per year. I didn't take a head count, but let's say there were 750 people there. That less than a quarter of the number of people who attended the FIRM Foundation conference last April. At that conference, there were multiple speakers every hour. It went over 3 days. They hold these twice a year.

So I'm wondering, what "periphery" is Roper referring to?

Disruptive technology always starts on the periphery. Sometimes it replaces the old technology quickly. Sometimes it takes a while. It remains to be seen how long it will take for the Mesoamerican theory to disappear completely. Given the dogmatism of its adherents, it may come back from the dead a few times. But you can hear the ringing if you listen carefully.

Wednesday, August 26, 2015

The Treason of the Geographers-Part 2

[This is part 2. Part 1 is here.]

The Treason of the Geographers: Mythical “Mesoamerican” Conspiracy and the Book of Mormon


Matthew Roper wrote a formal article in the Interpreter site here. This is the second part of my peer review of his article.  

Groundhog Day and Zelph
Neville cites the 1834 account of Zelph from the published History of the Church as evidence that Joseph Smith opposed placing Book of Mormon events in Mesoamerica (54). In citing that account, Neville gives no historical background for this story or the sources it is based on. 
[I spent two lines on Zelph--less than Roper spends here. It was not a major factor in the book, and I saw no point in developing it. But I'm delighted that Roper brings it up here.]
There is, for example, no reference to Ken Godfrey’s essential study.17 The entry on Zelph in the published History of the Church was not written by Joseph Smith and is not a contemporary account but is a hodgepodge of seven documents written by other men in Zion’s Camp who wrote about the event. 
[I cited HC  in the first edition because it is easily accessible and familiar to readers, but in my second edition, I instead cite Donald Q. Cannon's article: Donald Q. Cannon, “Zelph Revisited,” in Church History Regional Studies-Illinois, BYU Department of Church History and Doctrine, 97-109, available online here: 
I don't think it's fair to characterize HC as a hodgepodge; like much of History of the Church, it's a compilation. Cannon gives the original entries from all the participants/observers of the Zelph vision. I think Cannon's article is more useful than Godfrey's. One reason why I'm spending more time on Zelph is that Woodruff uses the Book of Mormon term "east sea" in proximity to the Book of Mormon term Cumorah, reinforcing the idea that they were both in New York.]

When examined, these sources leave many issues unclear, including who exactly Zelph was, whether he had anything to do with the lands or events described in the Book of Mormon text, or if he lived at a much later time. As historian Ken Godfrey concludes:
If the history of the church were to be revised today using modern historical standards, readers would be informed that Joseph Smith wrote nothing about the discovery of Zelph, and that the account of uncovering the skeleton in Pike County is based on the diaries of seven members of Zion’s Camp, some [Page 171]of which were written long after the event took place. We would be assured that the members of Zion’s Camp dug up a skeleton near the Illinois River in early June 1834. Equally sure is that Joseph Smith made statements about the deceased person and his historical setting. We would learn that it is unclear which statements attributed to him derived from his vision, as opposed to being implied or surmised either by him or by others. Nothing in the diaries suggests that the mound itself was discovered by revelation.
Furthermore, readers would be told that most sources agree that Zelph was a white Lamanite who fought under a leader named Onandagus (variously spelled). Beyond that, what Joseph said to his men is not entirely clear, judging by the variations in the available sources. The date of the man Zelph, too, remains unclear. Expressions such as “great struggles among the Lamanites,” if accurately reported, could refer to a period long after the close of the Book of Mormon narrative, as well as to the fourth century ad. None of the sources before the Willard Richards composition, however, actually say that Zelph died in battle with the Nephites, only that he died “in battle” when the otherwise unidentified people of Onandagus were engaged in great wars “among the Lamanites.”
Zelph was identified as a “Lamanite,” a label agreed on by all the accounts. This term might refer to the ethnic and cultural category spoken of in the Book of Mormon as actors in the destruction of the Nephites, or it might refer more generally to a descendant of the earlier Lamanites and could have been considered in 1834 as the equivalent of “Indian” (see, for example, D&C 3:18, 20; 10:48; 28:8; 32:2). Nothing in the accounts can settle the question of Zelph’s specific ethnic identity.18

[Reading this reminds me why I didn't cite Godfrey. Godfrey (and, presumably Roper) seem to think that it's better to have one witness than multiple. Any trial lawyer knows no two witnesses ever see or hear anything exactly the same, but that doesn't mean you don't want more than one witness. The multiple accounts of the Zelph incident are corroborative. They reinforce the actuality of the event. They differ on details--but that's further evidence of authenticity. For many details of Church history, the only source we have is Wilford Woodruff's journal and it is considered a highly reliable source for many reasons. If only Woodruff had recorded the Zelph incident, we would have taken his word for what happened (which is why I cite him on the east sea and Cumorah).]
The issue again is not whether Joseph Smith received revelation on the warrior named Zelph (that much seems clear from the historical sources), but if what he learned in that revelation had anything to do with the geography of the scriptural text. On that question precise language [Page 172]of the Prophet would make a difference, but the historical sources do not allow us to determine with clarity his precise language, or if some of the language recorded in these secondary sources reflected Joseph’s own opinions or those of others.
[Usually Roper relies on Woodruff's journal with no problem, such as Woodruff's comments about the Stephens book. Woodruff's journal is the source for many of Joseph's recorded sermons. Now, only in the one case of Zelph, Woodruff's journal is unreliable because others recorded some different details. At least Roper concedes Joseph received revelation on Zelph, but parsing the different accounts to discredit all of them is nonsense. At any rate, I recommend people read the actual accounts and decide for themselves, which you can read in Cannon's piece without Godfrey's commentary.]
Neville was fully aware of this background on Zelph, including what I had written about it in 2010, well before the publication of Lost City in late February 2015.19 It is very disappointing that he only cites the passage on Zelph from the History of the Church without addressing the work and arguments of historians. This is misleading but follows an unfortunate pattern set by others in the so-called Heartland movement.
[Citing HC in a two-line comment is misleading? Because Roper has spent so much space on Zelph, it's disappointing and misleading that he hasn't cited Cannon. Roper is free to write his own books, but had I spent as much space on minor issues such as Zelph as he has here, the book would have been three times as long. At any rate, Roper will be glad to know I spend more time on Zelph in the second edition--but more time on Zelph means more problems for Mesoamerica.]
[I've been reading through the following paragraphs and came back here to let readers know the next few paragraphs have nothing to do with my book, so I'll line through them for you. Roper is merely venting here for who knows what reason. Apparently he's upset that more people don't read his articles. I have, and I've peer reviewed them--and he doesn't like that either, as you'll see later in his article.]
In 2007 Rodney Meldrum began distributing DVDs promoting his so-called Heartland theory of the Book of Mormon. In the series he cited statements from Ken Godfrey, John Sorenson, and me, which he characterized as undermining Joseph Smith’s inspired prophetic teachings. In 2008 a detailed response to Meldrum’s claims was made available through FAIR, which included a discussion of the Zelph issue.20 In 2009 Meldrum published a book, Prophecies and Promises: The Book of Mormon and the United States of America, in which he repeated much of what he taught in his DVDs and continued to cite the Zelph story in the History of the Churchto support his claims that Joseph Smith’s revelations included the details of Book of Mormon geography.21
On March 11, 2010, I wrote to Rod Meldrum and asked him why he continued to cite the current History of the Church version of the Zelph story as authoritative and supportive of his claims, without addressing or acknowledging that it was not written by Joseph Smith. I referred him to the articles written by Ken Godfrey discussing the sources on Zelph. “Why,” I asked, “do you claim, based upon what he has written, that Godfrey questions or attempts to discredit the inspired [Page 173]words of Joseph Smith and cast doubt on the validity of Joseph Smith’s inspiration?” I then explained my concerns:
If you previously read Godfrey’s work on the Zelph story you already know that the passage on Zelph in the current edition of the History of the Church has a complex history. For example, in the Manuscript History of Joseph Smith reference to “Cumorah” and several other words were crossed out in the original manuscript. When the History of the Church was first published in 1904 this was reflected in that edition where the crossed out words were omitted from the text. It was only later in the second edition that the crossed out words referring to the Hill Cumorah in the Zelph story were put back in without any explanation that the words had been crossed out in the original Manuscript History. This was also explained to you in the response to your 2007 DVD prepared by FAIR in section 3 pages 7–10 of that work. In your 2009 book Prophecies and Promises you again simply cite the most recent edition of the History of the Churchon page 106 without any explanation of the history behind this passage, accusing those who disagree with you of dismissing Joseph Smith as Prophet. I must confess that I find this puzzling and a little troubling, as most of your readers would not know that there is more to the story here. Isn’t this data important and relevant to the question of what Joseph Smith actually knew andactually said about Zelph and how it may or may not relate to Book of Mormon geography? Obviously people make mistakes, and nobody knows everything, but given the subject matter and how hard you come out against those who differ with your interpretations and the fact that you have been repeatedly provided with information on these questions, I find and I think that many other fair-minded people would find this omission troubling.22
Meldrum responded the following day refusing to answer my questions unless I promised to keep his response private.23 This I refused to do since the claims and accusations he was making were public and thus required a public explanation or correction. I responded:
[Page 174]In your public presentations, your DVDs, your website and publications you state certain things and make certain claims about what happened in Church history and what Joseph Smith knew about Book of Mormon geography. You are also on record stating certain things and making certain claims in public and making insinuations about myself and others and our loyalty to the Church, Joseph Smith, and his revelations. I do not take such accusations lightly, nor can I, given who I represent at BYU and the Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship. I do not want to believe that you and your co-author have made these claims and accusations out of malice or other base motives, but some of your claims and statements frankly puzzle me, as they seem unsustainable and even reckless … .
I understand there may be circumstances in which it would be advisable and perhaps proper to keep correspondence confidential. I don’t object to that under certain circumstances. As a general rule and a way of life, however, this is not wise. I am not interested in your personal life. My questions deal specifically with what you have publicly stated, presented, distributed, or published, some of it about me. I was seeking clarification of public things which relate to these issues which you should, I would think, be willing, perhaps even anxious, to justify or explain. Under such circumstances, why would you want to keep your answers to these rather simple questions confidential? . …
Since it is you and not I who have repeatedly made these things a public matter, it would, I think, be to your advantage to openlyrespond to my questions and justify why you have said the things that you have, that is, if they can be justified.24
Afterwards I wrote an article published in the FARMS Review in which I responded to Prophecies and Promises.25 There I discussed the Zelph issue in detail, but I did not make reference to the above correspondence at that time in the hope that he would address these concerns in any future work. The following year, however, Meldrum published another book, Exploring the Book of Mormon in America’s Heartland: A Visual [Page 175]Journey of Discovery. The book contained colored pictures of the Illinois mound, again citing the same passage from current edition of the History of the Church without any further explanation or acknowledgement of Godfrey’s work or my article in the FARMS Review.26 
Neville’s work, now enthusiastically promoted by Rod Meldrum, continues this irresponsible and misleading pattern.
[Okay, so this is a hot button for Roper, but his assertion here is itself irresponsible and misleading, since he has had the chance since Feburary 2015 to discuss with me this and any other problems he has with the book. He simply refused, which I take as evidence he is less interested in scholarship than in having something to attack. BTW, he and the Interpreter both knew I was about to release a second edition of the book and they decided to review the first edition anyway. Roper could have saved himself a lot of aggravation by reviewing the second edition.]  
Nephite as a Cultural Term
Neville claims that Joseph Smith’s letter to Emma Smith in June 1834 during Zion’s Camp shows that Joseph Smith rejected a Central American geography (54). In a letter to Emma on June 4, 1834, Joseph wrote
The whole of our journey, in the midst of so large a company of social honest and sincere men, wandering over the plains of the Nephites, recounting occasionally the history of the Book of Mormon, roving over the mounds of that once beloved people of the Lord, picking up their skulls & their bones, as proof of its divine authenticity.27
Neville assumes that “plains of the Nephites” is a geographical clue to the scriptural text. He reasons it may refer to “plains of Heshlon” (Ether 13:28) or the “plains of Agosh” (Ether 14:15), but that would make them the plains of the Jaredites rather than “plains of the Nephites” (54). As an alternative, he suggests linking Joseph’s words to the “plains of Nephihah” (Alma 52:20; 62:18). This is of course total speculation. The “plains of the Nephites” and the “plains of Nephihah” may or may not be the same but certainly need not be. They could just as well be the “plains of Onandagus” or the “plains of Zelph” or something else entirely.28 Any place where “Nephites” once lived anywhere in the Americas might qualify. 
[Sometimes one is best off letting an author's arguments destroy themselves, as Roper's do here, so I'll simply point out 1) that "any place" would not qualify unless it was plains and 2) Joseph had to have some basis for recognizing the plains of the Nephites. Roper insists Joseph was speculating because he didn't know anything about geography. I think Joseph made it clear he did know about geography (from Moroni's instruction), at least enough to recognize the Midwest as the plains of the Nephties he was already made familiar with, back in New York and Pennsylvania when he was obtaining and translating the text and had never visited plains before. Roper thinks Joseph sent his wife pure speculation, albeit unqualified as such. I think he simply told her what he recognized. (I also think he used the phrase because she knew what he had described to her about the Nephites way back in Pennsylvania, but there is no hard evidence of that so I didn't put it in the book.) Roper thinks picking up skulls and bones in Ohio and Indiana is proof of the divine authenticity of a history that took place in Mesoamerica. I think it's proof of the divine authenticity of a history that took place in Ohio and Indiana--and I suspect that's what Joseph intended and Emma thought when she read the letter. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, of course, but the only rational interpretation of this letter is how Emma would understand it.]
Early Latter-day Saints viewed all native Americans in North and South America as descendants of the seed of Nephi and his brethren, so the words “plains of the Nephites” are useless as a clue to external Book [Page 176]of Mormon geography. 
[I have to ask for a citation here. I would agree that some early LDS may have thought this, but the only ones specifically identified as Lamanites were the Indian tribes in the Midwest. At the very least, I would think Roper would recognize that not every place in the Americas can be described as "plains," so that's a limiting factor based purely on geography (or, more precisely, topography).]
Perhaps they were not intended to be. It makes more sense to read Joseph’s use of “Nephite” in the letter as a cultural term rather than a geographical clue to the text. 
["It makes more sense" is not a coherent argument. Roper's argument only "makes more sense" if you're trying to obscure the ordinary meaning of the language--how Joseph and Emma would understand it--in order to support a Mesoamerican geography. "Plains of the Nephites" differentiates the plains they just crossed from the generic "plains" that Roper tries to read into the letter. Joseph could have simply written "plains" and been done with it. He qualified it with "of the Nephites" for some reason that Emma would understand. At this point, Emma had not crossed the plains. She was back in Kirtland. I infer that Joseph used this description knowing what Emma knew about the Nephites from what they had discussed previously, and it had nothing to do with a "cultural term."] 
[I just read ahead again. Feel free to read Roper's material, but I lined it out here because it's unrelated to the book he's supposedly reviewing and it has nothing to do with what Emma would have understood from this letter, which is really the only question to address.]
In 1838 the Prophet received a revelation about Spring Hill in North Missouri, which is now included in Section 116 of the Doctrine and Covenants. A great deal of folklore has circulated in the past about the hill, based upon statements of some early associates of the prophet who visited the place. Were the remains of Adam’s altar still there? Was there a Nephite altar on the site? Information on the naming of the hill at Adam-ondi-Ahman comes from a document written in Missouri by George W. Robinson, but was not written by Joseph Smith himself. That entry states:
We came to Col. Lyman Wight’s who lives at the foot of Tower Hill, a name appropriated by Pres smith, in consequence of the remains of an old Nephitish Alter an Tower … which was called Spring Hill a name appropriated by the bretheren present, But afterwards named by the mouth of [the] Lord and was called Adam Ondi Awmen [Adam-ondi-Ahman], because said he it is the place where Adam shall come to visit his people, or the Ancient of days shall sit as spoken of by Daniel the Prophet.29
Note that the brethren present first found some archaeological remains on the hill that were thought to look “Nephitish.” A revelation through the Prophet Joseph comes “afterwards” but says nothing about the validity of any previous “Nephitish” association, only that Adam once dwelt in the region (that would be long before the Book of Mormon anyway) and that one day there would be a future meeting prophesied by Daniel. Joseph Smith reportedly remarked later that Adam, when he dwelt there thousands of years before, had offered sacrifice but never appears to have associated any of the extant remains there with Adam, although later brethren speculated about this:
So what did Robinson mean when he said they discovered the remains of a “Nephitish” structure? It is important to note that the early Latter-day Saints clearly believed that the native North American tribes were descendants of the earlier Nephite-Lamanite civilization. With this belief, Robinson probably used the word “Nephitish” to indicate that the [Page 177]structure or altar was built by, or originated with, the North American Indians. He may have also used “Nephitish” to mean that the altar was of ancient origin. Therefore, what Robinson was attempting to describe were the remains of what appeared to be a sacred altar structure erected by early Native Americans.30
This perspective can be seen in the writings of the Prophet’s close associates from Zion’s Camp, those “social, honest, and sincere men” he wrote about to his wife. Orson Pratt, for example, in his brief summary of the Book of Mormon story, writes that the “arts and sciences flourished to a great extent” among the Nephites in their days of righteousness and that they “were a civilizedenlightened … people.” The Lamanites, when they dwindled in unbelief, were not. Pratt described the Mulekites, who had a corrupted language and lacked any written records, as “only in a partial state of civilization,” which they rectified when united with Mosiah’s people.31Pratt associated Nephites with arts and sciences, written language, and other elements of civilization.
Wilford Woodruff, whose journal provides a key source on the Zelph story, was another trusted associate of the Prophet. In later years he visited Arizona and New Mexico, where he encountered first-hand native American groups of the region. Observed cultural differences led him to think that some of these groups were more “Nephite” than “Lamanite.” In a letter to John Taylor and the Twelve he shared some of these observations.
I view my visit among the Nephites one of the most interesting missions of my life, although short. I say Nephites because if there are any Nephites on this continent we have found them among the Zunis, Lugumas [Lagunas], and Isletas, for they are a different race of people altogther from the Lamanites. I class the Navajoe [Navajo], Moquis [Hopi], and Apaches with the Lamanites, although they are in advance of many Indian tribes of America. I class the Zunis, Lagumas [Lagunas], and Isletas among the Nephites.
[Page 178]The Zunis are in advance of the Navajoes, Apaches, or any other Lamanites. The Lagumas are much above the Zunis, and the Isletas are far above them all in wealth, in beauty, cleanliness, or order of their homes and persons, the adornment of their dwellings, their industry and indefatigable labors, and in their virtue, and in the purity of their national blood. Their bearing and dignity in their intercourse with strangers, and, above all else, the expansion of their minds and their capacity to receive any principle of the Gospel, such as endowments or sealing powers, fully equal the minds of any of the Anglo Saxon race. …
They have their own laws, police courts, and judgement seat. They are very rich. … They allow no white man or Mexican to mix with them in their blood; all their marriages are of their own tribe. …
I look upon the Isletas as the most industrious and hard laboring people of any I ever met (the Latter-day Saints not excepted). This Nephite village has a field of corn ten miles in length and one in width. It lies north and south of their village and is irrigated. The corn is quite as good as any I ever saw in Utah and perfectly clean; not a weed could be found in a hundred acres. They have also twenty-one vineyards bordering on their city and a thousand vines to each vineyard, some of them sixty years of age, all kept perfectly clean and loaded with the finest of fruit and as heavy a crop as I ever saw in St. George. The vines stand from two to four feet in height and, in the fall of the year, each vine has a mound of earth formed around it until it is covered out of sight. In the Spring it is uncovered and the earth leveled. This is an immense work. They have also many apple, pear, and peach orchards, all ripe as well as the grapes. Isletas is occupied only by the Nephites themselves. There are no Mexicans or white men. The houses generally are made of adobe, cement, or concrete and plastered. The outside walls are as white as snow, and the floors are made of mortar of plaster, very smooth and many of them neatly carpeted. … I found in Isletas and in other villages of the Nephites the same kind of crockery and stoneware [Page 179]painted in all its brilliant colors that we find in the remains of their ancient cities, or in ruins of the ancient inhabitants. All of their water jugs and main crockery are of this material, for they still hold the art of making and painting it.32
Woodruff’s characterization of cultural elements he perceives as positive (fine buildings, industry, agriculture, cleanliness, laws, and government) are, from his perspective (that of a nineteenth-century, Connecticut-born farmer), “Nephite,” while less positively perceived ones (nomadic lifestyle, warlike nature) are “Lamanite.”
Mormon pioneers who explored the southwestern Rockies were fascinated by Anasazi ruins found in the mountain cliffs, some of which they supposed were built by the Gadianton robbers, “which the Book of Mormon describes as a wicked, savage, warlike and bloodthirsty people, who lived in the mountain fastnesses.” They attributed others to the Nephites, “a civilized, industrious, enterprising people who feared God, dwelt in cities, cultivated the arts and sciences, and occupied a rich fertile land.”33 Nephites in mid-nineteenth century Mormon perception built cities, cultivated the arts and sciences, and engaged in agriculture.
Early settlers in the Salt River Valley region of Arizona encountered pre-Columbian remains of walls and irrigation canals of Hohokam culture. Mormons who settled near Mesa, Arizona, associated these remains with the Nephites. A collection of photographs in the Church History Library taken of undeveloped land near Mesa, Arizona, around 1900 by James W. LeSueur is called, “Ancient Nephite Ruins near Mesa Arizona.” These show what appear to be the remains of old walls and irrigation canals. One of these is described as a “wall” surrounding a “Nephite castle.” Another shows several levees of an “Old Nephite Canal” and notes, “Ancient Nephites had 123 miles of Canal Systems in Salt River Valley, Arizona.” The photographs were taken not far from the early Arizona Mormon settlement of Lehi.34 In light of this pattern of associating Nephite with civilization, Joseph’s reference to the plains [Page 180]of the Nephites seems more like a cultural reference than a geographical one.
Manti
Neville alludes to “third-hand accounts” in which “Joseph identified an area in southern Missouri as the ancient site of Manti,” which supports his argument for a North American location (334). 
[The rest of this appears to be copied from some of Roper's other papers. I've previously commented on Roper's points here if anyone is interested, but this is quite ancillary to the book, so I lined it out here. I spent just two sentences on Manti in the book, but I have a lot more of it coming soon in Moroni's America. Maybe Roper can copy this section to his review of that book.]
This is based upon a diary entry from Samuel Tyler who traveled with the Kirtland Camp in 1838 to Missouri (not to be confused with the 1834 Zion’s Camp).35 In his journal entry for September 25, 1838, Tyler wrote,
We passed thro Huntsville, Co. seat Randolph Co. Pop. 450 & three miles further we bought 32 bu. of corn of one of the brethren who resides in this place (66) There are several of the brethren round about here & this is the ancient site of the City of Manti, which is spoken of in the Book of Mormon & this is appointed one of the Stakes of Zion and it is in Randolph Co. Mo. 3 miles west of the Co. seat.36
Historical analysis of the relevant documents show that Joseph Smith was not present when Tyler made this entry but was several counties away in Far West. The wording about Manti, if from Joseph Smith, is not contemporary with the journal entry and may or may not be influenced by hearsay. Tyler does not attribute this wording to Joseph Smith or revelation. A similar entry subsequently drafted for the Manuscript History of the Church seems to have been essentially based upon the Tyler entry but was not written until after the death of Joseph Smith and was not published until 1854 in the Millennial Star. When Andrew Jensen published the entry in theHistorical Record in 1888, he added, without explanation, the words “which the Prophet said” immediately before the sentence about Manti, although this was not in the original manuscript.
In 1938 Joseph Fielding Smith published an article in the Deseret Newsciting the Tyler Journal and the published (Millennial Star) version of the Manuscript History entry to support an argument for a Missouri location. In 1956, that article, along with many of Smith’s sermons and writings were published without modification in a popular compilation, [Page 181]Doctrines of Salvation, through which the idea for an ancient Manti location in Missouri became more widely known in LDS circles. He never spoke on or addressed the issue of Book of Mormon geography after he became President of the Church.
In an earlier study I discussed a second important contemporary source, the Elias Smith journal. 37 This entry written on the same day reads:
We came through Huntsville, the county seat of Randolph, where we were told before we arrived there we should be stopped but saw nothing of the kind when we came through the town and heard no threats whatever, but all appeared friendly. 1½ miles west of Huntsville we crossed the east branch of Chariton and 1½ miles west of the river we found Ira Ames and some other brethren near the place where the city of Manti is to be built and encamped for the night on Dark creek 6 miles from Huntsville.
Rather than suggest that the ancient site of Manti was in Randolph County Missouri, the Elias Smith entry indicates plans for a future settlement to be called by that name. B. H. Roberts in his compilation of theHistory of the Church incorporated the Elias Smith wording into the entry for that day and did not use either the Tyler Journal or the Manuscript History entry. This is how it still stands in the published History of the Church today in volume 3, page 144.
I would conclude, based upon the known evidence, that the Joseph Smith at some point designated the site in Randolph County as a settlement for a future stake that would be named Manti. The actual words, however, make a difference. The problem is not Joseph Smith’s prophetic authority but our limitations due to the inability to recover what Joseph may have actually said on this point. Did Joseph say it was “the ancient site of Manti spoken of in the Book of Mormon,” or did he say that it was “where the city Manti is to be built”? Do the words in these reports reproduce Joseph’s statement word for word? How much does what Tyler and Smith reported in good faith reflect the ideas and speculation of local brethren with whom they interacted? Did they assume on their own, based on the proposed name of the settlement, [Page 182]that it might have been the ancient site of Manti as well?38That seems reasonable to me, but who can say? Since Joseph Smith was not present at the time, and the two reports are not the same, we cannot simply put words into the Prophet’s mouth and conclude that both sources are correct. And one cannot build a reliable geography on such uncertainties.
Zarahemla
In 1903, a large group of Latter-day Saint students, teachers, and General Authorities met in Provo, Utah, to discuss the question of Book of Mormon geography. The organizers thought it might be nice if the group could come to a unified view of the location of Zarahemla mentioned in the Book of Mormon.
[Is Roper referring to Provo or Nicaea? I recall another group trying to sort out doctrine by discussion and debate and then voting on it...]
 Differences of opinions were expressed. Some argued that Zarahemla was in South America; others thought it might have been in Honduras. The news report suggests that some had strongly held opinions about this and other geographical matters and argued forcefully for their respective positions. According to the report:
President [Joseph F.] Smith spoke briefly and expressed the idea that the question of the situation of the city was one of interest certainly, but if it could not be located, the matter was not of vital importance, and if there were differences of opinion on the question, it would not affect the salvation of the people, and he advised against students considering it of so vital importance as the principles of the Gospel.
[The key point here is Pres. Smith said "if it could not be located." Wise counsel. And it's true, Mesoamericanists cannot locate Zarahemla. But why does that mean we cannot consult the D&C for guidance on the question? Just to see if it works out and fits a geography that also happens to accommodate the Hill Cumorah in New York and every statement that can be directly tied to Joseph Smith? Hint: because it does work out, and that means Zarahemla is not in Mesoamerica.]
Later he “again cautioned the students against making the union question — the location of cities and lands — of equal importance with the doctrines contained in the book.”39 President Smith’s counsel to not make issues of Book of Mormon geography, such as the location of Zarahemla, a matter of equal importance to the doctrines contained in the Book of Mormon is consistent with the counsel of current Church leaders and provides a notable contrast with advocates of the “Heartland” theory, such as Meldrum and Neville and others who falsely accuse those who disagree with their interpretations of dismissing or undermining the prophetic authority of Joseph Smith. 
[Okay, I don't see a citation to the book here, so I'm wondering what Roper is doing other than 1) conflating different approaches to North American geography and 2) attacking straw men. Roper's argument isn't even rational. One of the main reasons I wrote the book was to refocus attention on the Book of Mormon and its teachings. I fully agree with President Smith's counsel.] 
In October 1929, Anthony W. Ivins of the First Presidency said:
[Page 183]There is a great deal of talk about the geography of the Book of Mormon. Where was the land of Zarahemla? Where was the City of Zarahemla? And other geographical matters. It does not make any difference to us. There has never been anything yet set forth that definitely settles the question. … As you study the Book of Mormon keep these things in mind and do not make definite statements concerning things that have not been proven in advance to be true.40
[If it doesn't make any difference, why has Roper written so much on the topic? A glance at his self-citations just in this article demonstrate that he has given this subject a lot of attention over the years. For that matter, why did he bother writing this article if it doesn't make any difference?] 
Recently, some Latter-day Saints, finding a dearth of evidence for a revelation on Book of Mormon geography, have tried to squeeze one from Section 125 of the Doctrine and Covenants.41 
[This is an odd way to characterize searching the scriptures. Besides, I've seen more than a few books and articles--including the articles Roper cites in this paper--that search the scriptures regarding Book of Mormon geography. Roper seems to be arguing we have too much revelation, or at least just enough; we certainly don't need more, apparently. And yet, Mesoamerican proponents not only squeeze the text; they regularly modify the text to fit their preferred geography with terms such as "headwaters" and "narrow strip of mountainous wilderness," not to mention advocating that the north and south seas are merely metaphors not to be taken literally.]  
This revelation invited the Saints to gather at appointed locations, including settlements in Iowa, where they might build up stakes of Zion. “And let them build up a city unto my name upon the land opposite the city of Nauvoo, and let the name of Zarahemla be named upon it” (D&C 125:31). The revelation says nothing about where the ancient Nephite city of Zarahemla was located, but Neville writes as if he really wished that it had (330, 332). 
[I wish it had been more definitive, sure, one way or the other. I just can't make sense of rejecting a plausible interpretation on the sole grounds that it contradicts one's preferred geography.]
He suggests that the revelation may have been “the Lord’s warning to Joseph about Winchester’s imminent promulgation of a Mesoamerican approach to promoting the Book of Mormon” (143, note 114). He claims that the [Page 184]Zarahemla editorials were “a direct challenge to the 1841 revelation in Section 125 about Zarahemla” (180). It is unclear how a Mesoamerican interpretation of Book of Mormon geography could directly challenge something that the revelation does not mention.
[Uh, it does mention Zarahemla in Iowa. If that's not a direct challenge to Mesoamerican geography, I don't know what is.]
In a previous article I observed that the verse says nothing about the location of the ancient site of Zarahemla.42 That remains the case. 
[The existence of Roper's article remains the case; the validity of his argument does not.] 
As a secondary argument I had cited several journal entries that apparently called the Iowa settlement “Zarahemla” before the revelation in Section 125 was given. Based upon the information available to me at that time, this seemed a valid secondary argument. In May 2013 I learned of several apparent anomalies in those sources that suggest these entries, at least the parts mentioning Zarahemla, were likely written later than the dates had suggested to me. I hope at some point in the future to examine the originals myself and revisit the matter. For the present I will assume those sources do not support my earlier argument. 
[That's an excellent assumption. I have examined the originals and they verify that D&C 125 was the first recorded reference to Zarahemla in Iowa, across from Nauvoo. No one is saying that is determinative, but this is the only verse I'm aware of for which a plausible interpretation is rejected because it contradicts someone's preferred geography. I say, test the verse as a geographical clue and see what happens.]
Still, we lack certain specifics on how the revelation was received. Did Joseph Smith and his brethren discuss the matter beforehand? Had they previously considered the name Zarahemla as a possible designation and then submitted it to the Lord for confirmation? The name itself need not have been be a geographical clue to have hold significance.
[True, we don't have much historical background on the name; in fact, I know of none. The revelation just appears in the record. For that matter, it's a curious section to have been canonized. Apart from the reference to Zarahemla, what value does it have today? It's also interesting that the Reorganized Church (Community of Christ) never canonized this section.]
The name Zarahemla would have reminded the Saints of the Book of Mormon and invited them to liken their experiences to those of Lehi’s people. When the Saints were driven from Missouri, they had to flee from danger and persecution. One of several places they found refuge was in Iowa. In the Book of Mormon, groups of refugees also found safety and refuge in Zarahemla. It was a place where those who believed in the scriptures and in the words of the living prophets could gather and receive protection, just as the Latter-day Saints who believed in the words of Joseph Smith and the words of Book of Mormon prophets could settle. As such, the name seems appropriate. Both Manti and Zarahemla were Book of Mormon cities, but perhaps significantly, they were fortified cites as well. The Lord characterized the first stake in Kirtland as a “strong hold” (D&C 64:21), a term that evokes the Iowa settlement’s namesake in the Book of Mormon (Helaman 1:20), a place that at times was well fortified (3 Nephi 3:23–26). Of course, most stakes in the past and today are not named after Book of Mormon or even biblical locations, but perhaps the Lord thought it fitting in Joseph Smith’s day to give these two settlements — Manti in Missouri and Zarahemla in Iowa — names that would remind them and future readers of what a stake of Zion is [Page 185]intended to be: a defense and a refuge for the Saints (D&C 115:6). This admittedly reflects my own thinking and speculation, but it makes more sense than an approach that tries to force a revelation and geographical interpretation out of a passage where none exist.
[Not bad speculation, but the reality contradicts the premise. Zarahemla and Manti both failed as communities and stakes. IIRC, the Zarahemla stake was disbanded within a year or two of the revelation. Manti never materialized. Both designations make more sense as Book of Mormon sites than as a symbol of modern strength. That said, it is interesting that Joseph purchased far more land in Iowa than in Illinois. And there are historical records regarding a temple to be built across the river from Nauvoo, in line with the Nauvoo temple.]
Book of Mormon Geography and Winchester
Neville exaggerates the importance of Winchester’s writings and underestimates the influence of earlier writers of whose works he seems unaware. 
[Unaware? Hmmm... My focus was on Winchester, not an overview of Church history. This seems to be Roper's most consistent complaint; i.e., that I didn't spend more time on issues and topics that are important to him. Every book is a compromise of competing material and priorities.]
In 1837 Parley P. Pratt published A Voice of Warning, which has been described as “the most important of all the non-canonical LDS books”43 In 1839 Pratt published a second edition, revised and enlarged, which included an expanded section on the Book of Mormon. Givens and Grow note that this pamphlet, which “remained among the most widely read Mormon works for several decades after his death,” also “proved exceptionally effective as a missionary tool. … Pratt’s writings, which deeply influenced other Mormon authors, particularly his equally prolific younger brother Orson, not only helped convert thousands to Mormonism but also shaped the Mormon theological system.”44 It was Pratt’s “greatest theological contribution as a Latter-day Saint, … a work that served the church as its most powerful proselytizing tool — after the Book of Mormon — for more than a century.”45 “For the first few years of the Church’s existence, little besides the Book of Mormon could ground Mormon theology or expound doctrine, and early Latter-day Saints seldom used the Book of Mormon in that regard.”46 In fact, during this early period of Church history, “next to the Book of Mormon itself, Pratt’s book soon became the principal vehicle presenting Mormonism [Page 186]to the Latter-day Saint faithful and the general public alike.”47 “But for narrative exposition, one that aspired to lay out in readable format the essence of Mormonism for member and non-Mormon alike, Voice of Warning had no peer and, for any decades, little competition.”48
[And this is relevant how? Is Roper going to suggest Parley P. Pratt wrote the Times and Seasons articles?]
The first publications Benjamin Winchester produced are two small pamphlets from 1840. 
[These were the first he produced in the sense of publishing them himself, but they were not the first he produced in the sense of writing and having his material published. He had an article published in the first Times and Seasons in 1839, for example.] 
Neither addresses the question of Book of Mormon geography. The first of these, An Examination of a Lecture by the Rev. H. Perkins, is unremarkable.49 The second, The Origin of the Spalding [Spaulding] Theory, had more lasting significance as a response to the Spalding theory and the information it provides on Doctor Philastus Hurlbut whom Winchester knew and claimed as a relative.50 
[The Spaulding theory is directly relevant to Book of Mormon geography. I expect Roper to discuss this more below, but since it contradicts his assertion above, maybe he'll drop it. Spaulding supposedly wrote an account of Romans who landed in eastern North America and interacted with the Indian tribes there. The sole reason it was relevant to the Book of Mormon was this North American setting. If the Book of Mormon actually took place in Mesoamerica, the Spaulding theory would be a nullity from the outset. Winchester could have dismissed it with a sentence or two instead of writing an entire booklet about it.]
In 1841, while in Philadelphia, Winchester published a short-lived periodical entitled the Gospel Reflector. This periodical commenced in January 1841 and continued until the June 15, 1841, issue, after which it was discontinued. “Generally the Gospel Reflector treats a broad range of doctrinal subjects. The ideas themselves were not new to the Mormon printed record, but their defense marshaled a nearly comprehensive collection of biblical citations and examples, many appearing in a Latter-day Saint publication for the first time.”51 Some of the articles that appeared there were subsequently reprinted in other Latter-day Saint periodicals such as the Times and Seasons. It also was greatly influenced by earlier Latter-day Saint publications:
Like other Mormon periodicals, it borrowed liberally from its predecessors. For example, a chronology showing the creation of Adam exactly 6,000 years before (pp. 20–21) is reprinted from the third number of the Evening and Morning Star: the seventh Lecture on Faith (pp. 77–83) is from the Doctrine and Covenants … Oliver Cowdery’s letters to W.W. Phelps (pp. 137–76) are taken from the first volume of the Messenger and Advocate; Sidney Rigdon’s article on the Millennium (pp. 287–93) and his letter to John Whitmer on the New Testament church (pp. 293–96) are republished from the second volume [Page 187]of the Evening and Morning Star and the fourteenth number of the Messenger and Advocate; and the final issue (pp. 297–311) is largely made up of abstracts from the Doctrine and Covenants.
But Winchester wrote much of the text, and here the influence of Parley Pratt’s Voice of Warning — explicitly acknowledged in the first number (p. 18) — is pervasive. Winchester’s essays on spiritualizing the scriptures (pp. 29–32), the kingdom of God (pp. 37–42, 49–72), gospel dispensations (pp. 84–89), continued revelation (pp. 89–98), the Book of Mormon (pp. 105–36), the restoration if Israel (pp. 220–43), the Resurrection (pp. 244–46), and the millennium (pp. 246–72), all derive from the second edition of Voice of Warning … occasionally borrowing from it verbatim.52
Of particular interest to the question of Book of Mormon geography are two articles published in the March 1 and March 14, 1841, issues. Both of these cited biblical proof texts in support of the Book of Mormon and the necessity of modern revelation. In the March 1 article, Winchester introduced the Book of Mormon with a brief account of its recovery from the hill by Joseph Smith and then referenced reports of “various relics of antiquity” to prove that “America has been inhabited by an enlightened people, far in advance of the savage state of the red men of the forest.” Winchester also quoted from the work of Elias Boudinot to support the idea that the North American Indians were of Israelite origin. In the March 15 issue, Winchester briefly describes Lehi’s journey from Jerusalem into the wilderness, and then across the ocean to the American land of promise. Winchester indicates that in their final wars the Nephites fled Northward to the hill in New York where the Nephites were destroyed and Moroni buried the plates, adding that “the Indians of America are the descendants of the Lamanites.”53
In 1841 Winchester and Erastus Snow published An Address to the citizens of Salem and vicinity.54 Neville attributes the ideas on the Book of Mormon in this pamphlet to Winchester (50, 57), when the Book of Mormon content was actually taken from Parley Pratt’s 1840 [Page 188]publication,An Address by a minister of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. To the People of the United States.55
[I think I noted this in the first edition, but it's definitely in the second edition.] The bulk of the pamphlet (pp. 3–8) is a summary of Mormon beliefs taken primarily from Orson Pratt’s Remarkable Visions(item 82), and Parley Pratt’s An Address to the People of the United States (item 111), which is quoted directly at one point and which undoubtedly suggested the title. In its argument that not all of God’s revelations are in the Bible, it uses Parley’s list of prophetic books referred to but not included in the Bible (see item 80), which Winchester reprinted twice in the Gospel Reflector (item 95).56
Winchester subsequently published two other works in 1842 and 1843. These included his reference tool, Synopsis of the Holy Scriptures, and Concordance,57 and his 1843 book, A History of the Priesthood from the beginning of the world to the present Time.58 Only the last chapter of A History dealt with the Book or Mormon and is a minor reworking of his earlier Book of Mormon writings from the Gospel Reflector.59
What is a “Mesoamerican Geography”?
The limited Mesoamerican geography, according to Neville, was “first set out by Benjamin Winchester” (191). This is repeatedly emphasized by the author throughout his book and in fact provides the primary motive for Neville’s imagined conspiracy to get Winchester’s work surreptitiously published in the fall of 1842.
[I don't recall writing that this was the primary motive, and since Roper doesn't cite a page I can't find it right now. What I recall--and what's in the second edition--is that Winchester was a zealous missionary who thought linking the Book of Mormon to popular works on Mesoamerican ruins would attract interest in the Book and promote missionary work. He also sought to combat the Spaulding theory, which relied on a North American setting. The only sense in which Winchester had a limited Mesoamerican geography was in his linking the Stephens' ruins to specific Book of Mormon cities, namely Zarahemla.] 
Winchester summarized the Book of Mormon account in two articles, published in March 1841:
[Page 189]Six hundred years bc, according to the Book of Mormon, Lehi, who was a righteous man, was fore-warned of the destruction of Jerusalem and the Babylonish captivity, who was commanded by the Lord, took his family and fled into the wilderness. …
They set sail, and in a proper time they landed, as we infer from their record, somewhere on the Western coast of South America. They immediately commenced tilling the earth, and erecting mansions for dwelling places. … They frequently had long and tedious wars with the Lamanites, and were often driven before them. They were constantly emigrating to the North. At length they commenced settlements in the region of country, not far from the Isthmus of Darien, and while in those parts they advanced farther in science and arts, than at any time previous; and built more spacious cities, and buildings than they did before.
The Lord foreseeing that they would not repent, commanded Mormon to collect the writings of his forefathers — their revelations and prophecies, &c., and make an abridgment of them, and engrave them upon new plates, (their manner of keeping records was to engrave them on metallic plates.) But in consequence of their wars, and their flight to the North, to escape the Lamanites, he did not live to finish this work; and when the final destruction of the Nephites drew near, he gave the records to his son Moroni, who lived to see their final extermination, or destruction by the hands of the Lamanites.  …
Moroni was then commanded to deposit this record in the earth. … It remained safe in the place where it was deposited, till it was brought to light by the administration of angels, and translated by the gift, and power of God.60
This deposit was made about the year four hundred and twenty, on a hill then called Cumora, now in Ontario County, where it was preserved in safety, until it was brought to light by no less than the ministry of angels, and translated by inspiration.61
[Page 190]Here, Neville writes, Winchester “establishes the outline of what would be the Mesoamerican theory of Book of Mormon geography” (29). This includes his “inference about where Lehi landed” (42), and what the author calls “the Isthmus of Darien theory” (183). Neville thinks Winchester’s approach was new and different because he was the first to make “specific ties between The Book of Mormon and archaeological findings not only in North America, but also in Central America” (43), including “Guatemala” (42), and is the first assert “a Mesoamerica setting” for the events in Mormon’s text (185) and “the first to link The Book of Mormon to specific Central American sites” (266).
All of this is wrong. What Winchester actually describes is not the “Mesoamerican” view but the traditional hemispheric interpretation of Book of Mormon geography. 
[I recall mentioning in the book that Winchester cited Josiah Priest, who was definitely a North American guy. But his emphasis, particularly in the March Gospel Reflector, was Mesoamerica.]
This theory placed events in the narrative throughout North and South America. Inherent in the hemispheric model is the obvious assumption that Central America was the narrow neck of land with the dividing line between the land northward and southward at the Isthmus of Darien in Panama. So the idea of Central America as a setting for at least some events described in the Book of Mormon was always a basic element of the old hemispheric theory. It was not an 1841 innovation of Winchester as Neville contends. 
[I looked ahead here and didn't see where Roper cites someone earlier than Winchester who cited books by explorers in Mesoamerica the way he did in March 1841. It is the link to specific sites, not a generalized hemispheric geography, that is the point of the 1842 Times and Seasons articles.]
A representative example typical of this view can be found in Orson Pratt’s very popular 1840 missionary pamphlet, Interesting Account of Several Remarkable Visions, and of The Late Discovery of Ancient American Records.62
[I'm glad to see Roper bring up this pamphlet. Joseph Smith relied on this pamphlet when he wrote the Wentworth letter, which was published in March 1842. Joseph made some critical edits, though, regarding points of doctrine. One of the most important edits was deleting all of the material Roper quotes here and replacing it with this: "The remnant are the Indians that now inhabit this country." IOW, I take the position that in the Wentworth letter, Joseph explicitly rejected the hemispheric model in favor of affirming the remnant of Lehi's descendants are (not include) the Indians that now inhabit this country, meaning the United States. Roper has written extensively on how "this country" actually means all of North and South America, or at least Mesoamerica. I find that interpretation unlikely at best. Joseph, writing from Nauvoo, Illinois, was addressing Mr. Wentworth, the editor and proprietor of the Chicago Democrat. When assessing the meaning of a letter, the understanding of the recipient is the critical question. Would Wentworth have understood Joseph to be referring to Mesoamerica in this letter? I leave that to readers to answer.]
[In the second edition, I have a table comparing Pratt's pamphlet to the Wentworth letter so readers can see exactly what Joseph kept and what he omitted. This information is also available in the Joseph Smith papers.]
Pratt briefly describes the Jaredite story.
We learn from this very ancient history, that at the confusion of languages, when the Lord scattered the people upon all the face of the earth, the Jaredites, being a righteous people, obtained favour in the sight of the Lord, and were not confounded. … [T]hey were marvellously brought across the great deep to the shores of North America. Accordingly, in process of time, they became a very numerous and powerful people, occupyingprincipally North America; building [Page 191]large cities in all quarters of the land; being a civilized and enlightened nation. … [T]hey were entirely destroyed.63
Pratt then gives an account of the migration of Lehi’s colony and their settlement in the land of promise.
This remnant of Joseph were also led in a miraculous manner from Jerusalem. … [T]hey came to the great waters, where, by the commandment of God, they built a vessel, in which they were safely brought across the great Pacific ocean, and landed upon the western coast of South America
This remnant of Joseph, soon after they landed, separated themselves into two distinct nations. This division was caused by a certain portion of them being greatly persecuted, because of their righteousness, by the remainder. The persecuted nation emigrated towards the northern parts of South America, leaving the wicked nation in possession of the middle and southern parts of the same. The former were called Nephites, being led by a prophet whose name was Nephi. The latter were calledLamanites. …
The Lord gave unto them the whole continent for a land of promise.   … Arts and sciences flourished to a great extent. Various kinds of machinery were in use. Cloths, of various kinds, were manufactured. Swords, cimeters, axes, and various implements of war were made, together with head-shields, arm-shields, and breastplates, to defend themselves in battle with their enemies. And in the days of their righteousness, they were a civilized, enlightened, and happy people. …
[In their wars with the Lamanites] tens of thousands were very frequently slain, after which they were piled together in great heaps upon the face of the ground, and covered with a shallow covering of earth, which will satisfactorily account for those ancient mounds, filled with human bones, so numerous at the present day, both in North and South America.64
Pratt also describes the Mulekite colony.
[Page 192]Another remnant were brought out of Jerusalem; some of whom were descendants of Judah. They landed in North America; soon after which they emigrated into the northern parts of South America, at which place they were discovered by the remnant of Joseph, something like four hundred years after.
The second colony … landed in North America, and emigrated from thence, to the northern parts of South America; and about four hundred years after, they were discovered by the Nephites. …
They were called the people of Zarahemla. … The Nephites united with them, and taught them the Holy Scriptures, and they were restored to civilization, and became one nation with them. And in process of time, the Nephites began to build ships near the Isthmus of Darien, and launch them forth into the western ocean, in which great numbers sailed a great distance to the northward, and began to colonize North America.65
After the time of Christ, as described by Pratt, the people of Lehi fell into wickedness and were destroyed.
A great and terrible war commenced between them, which lasted for many years and resulted in the complete overthrow and destruction of the Nephites. This war commenced at the Isthmus of Darien and was very destructive to both nations for many years. At length, the Nephites were driven before their enemies, a great distance to the north, and north-east; and having gathered their whole nation together, both men, women, and children, they encamped on, and round about the hill Cumorah, where the records were found, which is in the State of New York.66
Pratt’s popular and influential pamphlet was published a year before Winchester published his own outline of the Book of Mormon narrative in the Gospel Reflector, but similar and earlier descriptions of the hemispheric view can be found in publications from 1830 onward as reflected in the following examples:
[No problem with any of this.]
[Page 193]This new Revelation, they say is especially designed for the benefit, or rather for the christianizing of the Aborigines of America; who, as they affirm, are a part of the tribe of Manasseh, and whose ancestors landed on the coast of Chili 600 years before the coming of Christ.67
[Lehi and his family] landed on the coast of South America, where they increased very fast, and the Lord raised up a great many prophets among them. They built cities, and encouraged the arts and sciences. … The first battle was fought nigh to the straits of Darien, and the last at a hill called Comoro, when all the Christians were hewn down but one prophet.68
Six hundred years before Christ a certain prophet called Lehi went out to declare and promulgate the prophecies to come; he came across the water into South America. … The last battlewas that was fought among these parties was on the very ground where the plates were found, but it had been a running battle, for they commenced at the Isthmus of Darien and ended in Manchester.69
In the Book of Mormon … a remnant of the branches or seed of Joseph are represented as crossing the sea, and settling this continent of North and South America.70
[Lehi’s family] sailed in a south east direction and landed on the continent of South America in Chile thirty degrees south Latitude.71
The prophets Lehi and Nephi came out with a colony from Jerusalem, in the days of Jeremiah the Prophet, and after[Page 194]wandering for eight years in the wilderness of Arabia, came to the sea coast, built a vessel … and finally landed in safety on the coast of what is now called Chili in South America.72
[Lehi’s party] crossed the ocean, landing on the west coast of Chile, near the place where Valparaiso now stands. … They went north and settled in New Granada, but in going north they found a people calling themselves the people of Zarahemla … not far from where the city of Carthagena now stands near the Magdalena river, called in the Book of Mormon the Sidon. … [Lamanites] drove the Nephites out of Zarahemla, and the Isthmus of Darien became to dividing line between the two powers. … The Nephites were gradually driven north, and at last were totally destroyed near the hill of Cumorah, in the State ofNew York, about 400 years after Christ.73
[Lehi’s people] becoming divided into two nations had become spread over both North and South America, one of these divisions was called Lamanites and dwelt in the country of South America; and the other division called Nephite, in North America. … This war commenced at the Isthmus of Darien, and was more or less destructive to both nations, until at length the Nephites were driven before their enemies north and north-eastto a great distance; when gathering their whole nation together both men, women and children, they encamped on and round about the hill Cumorah near where Palmyra, N. Y., now stands.74
Winchester’s 1841 reference to the “Isthmus of Darien” merely reflects a hemispheric view that was known from 1830 and throughout the nineteenth century. This idea was commonly held. Why would Winchester need to form an elaborate conspiracy to do something that everybody was doing and had been doing since the year the Book of Mormon was published?[Page 195]
[I previously discussed the fallacy of labeling this as an elaborate conspiracy. So far, I haven't seen anyone else place a specific Book of Mormon site--Zarahemla--in a specific location in Mesoamerica.]
Central American Antiquities
In his March 1, 1841, article for the Gospel Reflector, Winchester discussed evidence of pre-Columbian antiquities in support of the Book of Mormon.
Now when the antiquarian traverses the Western wilds, he has the privilege to behold the relics of a once enlightened nation, who understood arts and sciences to some extent. He there can walk upon the ruins of once magnificent cities abounding in wealth and prosperity, but now depopulated, and lying in heaps of massive ruins. And if he is onward with his researches — he gazes upon numerous forts, mounds, obelisks, and catacombs, which he marks with wonder and amazement. When he surveys the Southern part of North America — he there can feast his mind upon the works of antiquity until it is absorbed in contemplating the scenes of destruction that have come upon this nation of the dead, and leveled their cities in ruins. In Guatemala he can survey the ruins of a once splendid, beautiful, and populous city, perhaps as ever was on the globe; (we allude to the city of Otolum near Pulenque,) and while wandering through these heaps of massive ruins, he beholds the remains of large temples, and palaces, which exhibit the work of human ingenuity. With a closer observation he discovers a fine display of architectural genius in the construction of these once splendid edifices. In viewing with more avidity still, he beholds in these huge buildings the works of science — an immense quantity of hieroglyphics. Hence he no longer doubts but what America was inhabited by an enlightened nation anterior to its discovery by Columbus. …75
For Winchester, the Book of Mormon account provided a reasonable explanation for questions that vexed the wondering observer of these ruins. He then cited a description from a report that described these ruins.
The ruins of a city in Central America are among the most striking of such. This city, called Palenque (the name of a town not far off; other antiquarians call it Otolum) lies two [Page 196]hundred and fifty miles from Tobasco, lat. about 15° N. And there were discovered not such buildings as those erected by the Druids, of rough and misshapen stones, but such as those in which kings dwell — built of hewn stones. The appearance of these ruins shows a nation once existed there highly skilled in mechanical arts, and in a state of civilization far beyond anything that we have been led to believe of the aborigines, previous to the time of Columbus. A distinguished antiquarian of New York has received from this city a beautiful specimen of the fine arts — an idol of pure gold. This has emphatically been called the Thebes of America. In surveying its ruins, the traveller is led to believe that it was founded at as early a period as the renowned cities of Egypt.
How immense this city! It is supposed to have been sixty miles in circumference, and that it contained a population of nearly three millions. Great were its commercial privileges — even now the broad and beautiful Otolum rolls along its desolated borders.” “One of the principal structures revealed to the eye of the antiquarian is the teaculi or temple. Its style of architecture resembles the Gothic. It is rude, massive and durable. Though resembling the Egyptian edifices, yet this and the other buildings are peculiar, and are different from all others hitherto known. The entrance of the temple is on the east side by a portico more than one hundred feet in length, and nine feet broad. The rectangular pillars of the portico have their architraves adorned with stucco work of shields and other devices.” “The antiquity of this city is manifest not only from its nameless hieroglyphics and other objects; but from the age of some of the trees growing over buildings where once the hum of industry and the voice of merriment were heard. The concentric circles of some of these trees were counted, which showed that they were more than nine hundred years of age. The antiquities of America spread from the great lakes of the North and the West to Central America, and the Southern parts of Peru on the South; from the Alleghany Mountains on the East, to the Rocky Mountains on the West, and even from the Pacific to the Atlantic Ocean.76
[Page 197]Winchester then cited another passage from Josiah Priest’s American Antiquities:
This account which partly describes the ruins of a stone city seventy-five miles [108] in circuit (length 32 English miles, greatest breadth 12 miles,) full of palaces, monuments, statues, and inscriptions: one of the earliest seats of American civilization about equal to Thebes of Egypt, and well calculated to inspire me with hopes that they would throw a great light over American History, when more properly examined.77
Winchester concludes this particular argument:
We might multiply a catalogue of extracts from different authors upon this subject; but we forbear, believing that enough has already been said to convince every candid mind that America has been inhabited, previous to its discovery by Europeans, by an enlightened and civilized race of people. However, if any one should wish to learn farther concerning the antiquities of America, we recommend him to A. Davis’ “Discovery of America by the North-men.” J. Priest’s “American Antiquities,” Mr. Hill’s Do.; and Baron Humboldt’s “Travels in South America.”78
According to Neville, “Benjamin Winchester was the first to link the Book of Mormon to specific Central American sites” (266), but this is not the case. 
[This begs the question of who wrote the Times and Seasons articles.]
He never linked those ruins to any city named in Mormon’s account. Winchester’s article mentioned the discovery of Otolum (Palenque) to prove “that America has been inhabited by an enlightened people, far in advance of the savage state of the red men of the forest.”79 Earlier writers had been making that argument long before 1841.
In April 1833, while preaching in Illinois, Parley P. Pratt and William McLellin reported several encounters with a local Reverend Mr. Peck.80 [Page 198]
[I'm glad Roper brought up Mr. Peck, as I'll explain at the end of this long passage.]
In his autobiographical recollection of the encounter written years later, Pratt described Peck as “a man of note, as one of the early settlers of Illinois, and one of its first missionaries.” He was also a man of some learning and edited a local newspaper at Rock Spring. In one meeting, Peck attacked the Book of Mormon. According to Pratt, “He said there were [no antiquities in America;] no ruined cities, buildings, monuments, [inscriptions,] mounds, or fortifications, to show the existence of such a people as the Book of Mormon described. [He also said, that there were no domestic animals such as the cow, the ox, or the horse, found here when Europeans first discovered the country. He then inquired how these animals became extinct since the destruction of the Nephites.] He said further that the fortifications and mounds of this country were nothing more than works of nature.”81 
[I made the insertions above to correct and complete Roper's quotation. Roper intentionally misleads his readers by omitting Peck's objection about animals so he can also omit Pratt's response on that issue, which I show below.]
The following year, Peck published his Gazetteer of Illinois, which described local features of the state including some of the mounds and fortifications that were the subject of local interest. We do not have the words he spoke to Pratt and McLellin during his 1833 lectures, but the following extracts from his 1834 work suggests the kinds of arguments Latter-day Saints might have expected from a relatively informed critic of the time when they mentioned Midwestern mounds as evidence for the Book of Mormon.
The existence of “Mounds” in this, and other western states, has been assumed as substantial proof, amounting to demonstration, of a race of men of enterprising habits, and far more civilized than the present race of aborigines. But it is now seriously questioned whether these mounds are the work of art. I know not that any writer ever ventures to attack this supposition till John Russell, esq. sent forth his essay in the Illinois Magazine, or March, 1831. Mr. Russell is a citizen of this state, and well known as a writer of considerable talents and literary acquirements. He has had opportunity of examining for himself, many of those mounds, of various dimensions. He maintains they are not artificial, and offers objections to their being productions of human art, not easily obviated.
But there are mounds in the west, that exactly correspond in shape with these supposed antiquities, and yet from their size most evidently were not made by man. …
Of one thing the writer is satisfied, that very imperfect and incorrect data have been relied upon and very erroneous[Page 199]conclusions drawn, upon western antiquities. Whoever has time and patience and is in other respects qualified to explore this field of science, who will use his spade and eyes together and restrain his imagination from running riot amongst the mounds, fortifications, horseshoes, medals, and whole cabinets of relics of the “olden time,” will find very little more than the indications of rude savages, the ancestors of the present race of Indians.
Of ancient military works, I have long been convinced that not half a dozen such structures ever existed in the west before the visits of Europeans. Enclosures of various sizes, and perhaps for different purposes, with an embankment of earth, three or four feet high, and a trifling ditch out of which the earth was dug, undoubtedly were formed. In all probability some of these embankments unclosed their villages; others the residence of their chiefs or head men. But what people, savage, barbarous, civilized, or enlightened, even constructed a fortification around five or six hundred acres, with a ditch in the inside! Or what military people made twenty or thirty such forts, within two or three miles! At any rate I am confident these immense armies of military heroes never visited Illinois. …
Those who are particularly desirous of information concerning the millions of warriors, and the bloody battles in which more were slain than ever fells in all the wars of Alexander, Caesar, or Napoleon, with a particular description of their military works, would do well to read the “Book of Mormon,” made out of the “golden plates” of that distinguished antiquarian Joe Smith! It is far superior to some modern productions on western antiquities, because it furnishes us with the names and biography of the principal men who were concerned in these enterprises, with many of the particulars of their wars for several centuries. But seriously, the attention of scientific men is invited to this subject.82
Pratt recalls responding to Peck’s argument.
To do away with the Book of Mormon, we are called upon to believe that the temples, statues, pyramids, sculptures,[Page 200]monuments, engravings, mounds and fortifications, now in ruins on the American continent, are all the works of Nature in her playful moments; that the bones of slumbering nations were never clothed upon with flesh, and that their sleeping dust was never animated with life. This is too monstrous; it is too marvelous, too miraculous for our credulity; we can never believe that these things are the works of Nature, unaided by human art; we are not so fond of the marvelous.83
[Roper stops the Pratt quotation here to avoid showing his readers how Pratt relied on evidence from North America. Here is the next paragraph from Pratt that Roper omits: 
Again, we are told that no cows or oxen were here when Europeans first came to the country. I would ask what the wild buffalo are, if they are not the cattle of the ancient inhabitants? I would ask how horse tracks came to be imbedded [sic] in the petrified rock of Kentucky, without a horse to make them? And if no race of animals could become extinct, which once existed here, I would ask Mr. Peck either to produce a living mammoth, or annihilate his bones. But, perhaps, the reverend gentleman would say that those bones, too, were the works of Nature, and that the huge animal they seem to represent never existed.]
[In my view, Pratt's response avoided Peck's arguments by invoking temples, statues, pyramids and sculptures that are 1) definitely more exotic and impressive than the North American ruins but 2) never mentioned in the Book of Mormon. I see this as akin to the arguments against the Spaulding theory; i.e., the Book of Mormon can be more easily attacked if it took place in North America.
On the merits, Peck wrote before Squiers and Davis conducted their survey of the extensive earthworks in the Midwest. Even today (2015) archaeologists are uncovering significant finds throughout the Midwest, including ancient smelting, celestial alignments, and the Great Hopewell Road, that were unknown in the 1830s.]
This rebuttal suggests that by 1833 Mormon arguments for pre-Columbian civilization were expanding to include evidence from Central America as well as the North American Midwest. Just months before the encounter, the February 1833 issue of the Evening and Morning Star published a report of the ruined city of Palenque. [Actually, Peten.] The report cited an extract from the London Literary Gazette describing “a city and its suburbs” with buildings and “statues of stone” and “monumental inscriptions” and other evidence of civilization “prior to the fourteenth century.” The editor, W. W. Phelps, considered it “good testimony” for the Book of Mormon. He also suggested that “should ruins of many cities be discovered, it would be no more than a confirmation of what was once on this land of the Lord.”84Pratt’s reference to statues, sculptures, monuments, and engravings is consistent with the content of that report and suggests he was familiar with the article in the Star and used it to supplement his rebuttal to Peck’s claim that there were no ruined pre-Columbian cities in America.
[Exactly my point.]
In his 1839 revised and expanded version of A Voice of Warning, Pratt introduced passages from Josiah Priest’s American Antiquities, which described the remains of Palenque, the same passage cited later by Winchester in the Gospel Reflector in 1841. Pratt’s 1839 edition, as noted already, was extremely popular and widely distributed. He also referenced another description of the ruined city published in the Family Magazine in 1833.85
It is stated in the Family Magazine, No. 34, p. 266, for 1833, as follows: “Public attention has been recently excited respecting[Page 201]the ruins of an ancient city found in Guatemala. It would seem that these ruins are now being explored, and much curious and valuable matter in a literary and historical point of view is anticipated. We deem the present a most auspicious moment, now that the public attention is turned to the subject, to spread its contents before our readers, as an introduction to future discoveries during the researches now in progress.”
The following are some of the particulars, as related by Captain Del Rio, who partially examined them, as above related, 1787: From Palanque, the last town northward in the province ofCiudad Real de Chiapa, taking a south-westerly direction, and ascending a ridge of highland that divides the kingdom of Guatemala from Yucatan, at a distance of six miles, is the little river Micol, whose waters flow in a westerly direction, and unite with the great river Tulijah, which bends its course towards the province of Tabasco. Having passed Micol, the ascent begins, and at half a league, or a mile and a half, the traveller crosses a little stream called Ololum; from this point heaps of stone ruins are discovered, which render the roads very difficult for another half league, when you gain the height whereon the stone houses are situated, being still fourteen in number in one place, some more dilapidated than others, yet still having many of their apartments perfectly discernible.
A rectangular area, three hundred yards in breadth by four hundred and fifty in length, which is a fraction over fifty-six rods wide, and eighty-four rods long, being, in the whole circuit, two hundred and eighty rods, which is three-fourths of a mile, and a trifle over. This area presents a plain at the base of the highest mountain forming the ridge. In the centre of this plain is situated the largest of the structures which has been as yet discovered among these ruins. It stands on a mound or pyramid twenty years high, which is sixty feet, or nearly four rods in perpendicular altitude, which gives it a lofty and beautiful majesty, as if it were a temple suspended in the sky. This is surrounded by other edifices, namely, five to the northward, four to the southward, one to the southwest, and three to the eastward — fourteen in all. In all directions, the fragments of other fallen building are seen extending along the mountain that stretches east and west either way [Page 202]from these buildings, as if they were the great temple of worship, or their government house, around which they built their city, and where dwelt their kings and officers of state. At this place was found a subterranean stone aqueduct, of great solidity and durability, which in its course passes beneath the largest building.
Let it be understood, this city of Otolum, the ruins of which are so immense, is in North, not South America, in the same latitude with the island Jamaica, which is about 18 degrees north of the equator, being on the highest ground between the northern end of the Caribbean sea and the Pacific ocean, where the continent narrows toward the isthmus of Darien, and is about 800 miles south of New Orleans.
The discovery of these ruins, and also of many others, equally wonderful in the same country, are just commencing to arouse the attention of the schools of Europe, who hitherto have denied that America could boast of her antiquities. But these immense ruins are now being explored under the direction of scientific persons, a history of which, in detail, will be forthcoming, doubtless, in due time; two volumes of which, in manuscript, we are informed, have already been written, and cannot but be received with enthusiasm by Americans. … We might fill a volume with accounts of American Antiquities, all going to show that this country has been peopled with a people, who possessed a knowledge of the arts and sciences; who built cities, cultivated the earth, and who were in possession of a written language.
The notion of a ruined city in Central America reminded Pratt of the account of destruction in 3 Nephi, which he suggested might provide a reasonable explanation.86
In the spring of 1840, an anonymous critic who described himself as a “Philanthropist of Chester Co.” published a pamphlet attacking the Book of Mormon and the Mormons. “This Book of Mormon,” he wrote, “presupposes among the Indians, at the time of its compilation and engraving, a knowledge of the arts and sciences … reading, writing, engraving, gold-beating, &c., but the present race of Indians have no[Page 203]recollection or tradition of reading or writing ever being among them.” Shortly thereafter S. Bennett, a Latter-day Saint of Philadelphia, published a reply. “Anyone who has the slightest acquaintance with American antiquities, or Indian traditions, will find abundant evidence to establish the fact. (See Priest’s American Antiquities, also a work on the discovery of America, by the Northmen by A. Davis).”87 The “Philanthropist” was unimpressed with Mound Builder evidence. “A thousand opinions, sir, concerning the aborigines of this country, is not proof of the truth of the book. … But are there not mounds, forts, and the remains of towns, that show that the inhabitants of this country were once acquainted with the arts and sciences? I answer that these remains will not prove any greater degree of perfection in the arts, than that which was exhibited among the Mexicans, when first visited by the Spanish. No remains of antiquity, which can be proved to be the work of the inhabitants of this country, previous to its discovery, will constitute even so much as a shadow of proof, that the sciences of reading a writing … were even known here.”88 If the Indians were of Israel, he reasoned, they would not have forgotten the “arts and sciences” of civilization.
[Roper's ellipses omit a key point of the anti-Mormon attack; i.e., why the critic thought Lehi's people were so advanced. The critic wrote this: "The Mormons affirm, 'That the present Indians, are a part of the half tribe of Joseph, and that they sailed to this country across the Atlantic Ocean; being furnished with a compass by the hand of God.' We must of course presume that they were furnished also with a knowledge of navigation, reading, writing, &c."]
[It's easy to see why Roper omitted this passage--the critic made some errors, such as misspelling names, but he got the essentials right. Of course, for a Mesoamericanist such as Roper, an affirmation by the Mormons in 1840 that Lehi sailed "to this country across the Atlantic Ocean" is devastating.] 
[All of this demonstrates the attacks on the Book of Mormon based on its North American setting, which was motivation for Pratt and others, including Winchester, to direct attention to Mesoamerica instead. All of this supports my thesis.]
Winchester wrote several letters reporting his missionary activities in 1839,89 1840,90 1841,91 and two separate pamphlets in 1840,92 but none of these addressed the question of pre-Columbian antiquities. He never wrote about the subject until March 1841. At that time he mentioned reports of the ruins of Otolum as evidence for pre-Columbian civilization, like earlier writers, but drew no correlation between that site and any city named in the Book of Mormon text. Winchester’s 1841 writings show no awareness of Stephens and Catherwood’s discoveries, suggesting that he only learned of them later.
[IIRC, Stephens books weren't published until June or July 1841.]
[Page 204]Neville thinks that Winchester may have co-authored several reports of George Adams lectures that were published in the Bostonian in 1842 and reprinted in the Times and Seasons (97–118). The most significant of these was reprinted in the September 1, 1842, issue. It reports that Adams “introduced an account of many American antiquities together with the discoveries lately made by Mr. Stevens that all go to prove that the American Indians were once an enlightened people and understood the arts and sciences, as the ruined cities and monuments lately discovered fully prove. 93If, as Neville suggests, Winchester wrote or co-authored this report, it is a description of Adams’s arguments not Winchester’s and Adams did not link specific Central American cities with those in the Book of Mormon. Winchester only reports that he mentioned Stephens to refute the civilization argument against the Book of Mormon, which missionaries had been doing for years.
The idea that Winchester would need to be secretive about getting his writings on the Book of Mormon into print also seems unlikely when we remember that he had no difficulty publishing books in 1842 and 1843. What was to stop him from expressing his views?
[As I mention in the book, Winchester had been formally silenced by the Quorum of the Twelve in May 1842. The notice was published in the Times and Seasons. He was restored, I think in July, but still on very thin ice.]
A History of Priesthood, published in 1843, has an entire chapter on the Book of Mormon. Here was an excellent opportunity to disseminate his views, but the chapter is little more than a reworking of his 1841 writings with a few minor changes.94 
[These "minor changes" are significant. He is more vague in 1843, which one would expect if he was reprimanded for the Zarahemla article. Actually, references to Mesoamerica post-Oct 1, 1842, are all vague, which is consistent 1) with a rejection by Joseph of specifically identifying cities such as Zarahemla in Mesoamerican and 2) with a missionary-minded hinterlands approach (i.e., that descendants of the Book of Mormon people who lived in North America eventually migrated throughout the continent. First, the Jaredites. Later, the Lamanites.]
In 1841, he wrote that Lehi landed “somewhere on the western coast of South America.” In 1843 he wrote ambiguously that they “safely landed upon this land.” His 1843 geographical perspective, like that in 1841, is still broad and hemispheric. He mentioned Central American discoveries in both his 1841 and 1843 writings, but in 1841 he could only quote from the older less reliable reports about Otolum, not from Stephens and Catherwood’s more recent and accurate volumes. In 1843 he still wrote vaguely of “the remains of these cities and temples, [that] are to be seen in Central America, and elsewhere, in both the north and South parts of the continent; the discovery of which has excited the curiosity and astonishment of the learned so much of late.”95 The ruins were evidence for civilization, but he drew no correlation between them and specific Book of Mormon cities.96 His failure to mention Stephens [Page 205]or Catherwood by name or reference any actual details from their 1841 and 1843 books, not even so much as a page number, suggests only superficial knowledge, and that even by 1843, Winchester’s geographical conceptions of the Book of Mormon had not changed much since 1841. The 1842 report of the Boston lecture shows that he had heard of their discoveries, but never made much use of them if his writings are any indication. Neville, in fact, presents no evidence that Winchester owned or even so much as read Stephens and Catherwood. 
[This is a valid point, which I also made in the book: anyone could have owned any book, but we have limited evidence of who owned what book. The only person who we know owned the Priest book was Winchester, for example. (Well, I found a copy owned by Wilford Woodruff, which I explain in my second edition). But the only evidence we have of anyone reading the Stephens books is when Wilford Woodruff mentions in his journal that he read them. Roper will cite Joseph's letter to Bernhisel, but we don't know who wrote it and there is no corroborating evidence that Joseph ever read or discussed the books, all a topic I discuss at length in the second edition. IMO, the evidence shows that letter is a pro-forma thank you note.] 
Yet this is the man who we are to believe wrote the unsigned 1842 editorials on Central America in the Times and Seasons! For the purported mastermind of the “Mesoamerican” idea of Book of Mormon geography, that seems odd to say the least. The evidence from Winchester’s known writings strongly weigh against such a theory.
Neville’s Winchester is a fairy-tale figure — the evil genius behind the limited Mesoamerican geography, an idea that originated in the rotten heart of a dissident, was promoted by apostates and beguiles our thinking about the Book of Mormon. 
[These are Roper's words, not mine. And it was Joseph Smith who said Winchester "had a rotten heart" and "would injure the Church as much as he could." I haven't seen where Roper addresses those comments, which Joseph made about a month before he was assassinated. According to Roper, Winchester was a "fairy-tale figure." So is this another example of Joseph Smith speculating?]
“It has marked the Church, but hopefully not forever” (187). He pursues the accused with zeal, determination, and creativity to find means, motive, and opportunity for what turns out to be an imaginary crime, a “scheme” where none was needed to publish ideas that were never controversial.
[This is preposterous spin. As I indicated at the outset, as of December 2014, the only thing I knew about the authorship of the 1842 Times and Seasons articles was Roper's article, available here. Go look at it. His own data show that Joseph Smith, Wilford Woodruff, and John Taylor couldn't have written the articles. He made a glaringly false assumption about who was working at the printing shop, a point he doesn't address but which I cover in the book. 
I can understand why Roper shies away from the main point of the book. When I met with him, I asked him to run Winchester through his database and stylometry software. I didn't care one way or the other about the implications of the results: I just wanted to know who wrote the articles. Roper admitted his software analysis was only as good as the people they tested, and they only tested the three, even though the historical record shows the printing shop had other employees and that William Smith was working there throughout the relevant time period. In my second edition I also focus on Phelps. At any rate, Roper finally agreed to cooperate with my guy who was doing the styometry. But months later, he emailed me and said he refused to cooperate and would not run Winchester through is system. What can I say?
I appreciate the time and effort Roper went through to do this review. He made some good points and offered some good sources. As I told him at our first meeting, I would much rather have cited his work with approval than with criticism. And I would have, regardless of the outcome, because all I wanted to know was, who wrote these articles. He chose instead to refuse to collaborate on the pursuit of truth, to refuse to give me feedback I sought to incorporate into the manuscript before publication, and to now accuse me of a variety of unfounded motives and interests. Despite that, I would still very much like to collaborate with Roper on these issues. I'd like to use his stylometry methods and historical research to better understand exactly what happened in 1842. My views on geography are irrelevant to the historical research; I wish I could say the same about Roper.
I trust open-minded readers and scholars to discern what's what, and I encourage anyone interested in this issue to continue to research and discuss the findings. FWIW, I have continued my research and I'm continually amazed at what I'm finding.]
 He really has no idea of what a Mesoamerican geography is. He just knows that he’s against it.
[Sorry to say, but this is laughable. I took a class from John Sorenson when I was at BYU and I was a solid Mesoamerican advocate for decades. I promoted Mesoamerica on my mission and throughout my Church activities. I can make the Mesoamerican arguments as well as anyone--which is also why I know how weak they are. 
Roper once accused me of not addressing the literature, including his work. I'm not a member of the citation cartel, so I don't cite Roper as much as he'd like. I just don't see much relevance to the topic of the book. 
Now that he sees I have addressed the literature, including his work, he doesn't like my comments, which are on my blog (http://bookofmormonwars.blogspot.com/). But he's mischaracterized that, as well. It started out as my online notes and thoughts that I could access from anywhere. Then some people started reading it and sharing it. Now it's become far more than I ever expected. But never once have I criticized anyone, let alone attacked anyone. I apologize right now if I have done that, as it's not my intent, but I can't control how people take criticism of their work. I focus on the merits of what people write. The names of the authors are immaterial, but if I delete the names, no one knows to whom I'm referring. Roper apparently doesn't like what I've written, but I'm still more than willing to sit down and talk through any problems he has. I harbor no bad feelings toward anyone in this debate, and I think what unites us is far more important than what divides us.
In the meantime, this whole exercise has improved my analysis of the issues. I think even Roper would be impressed by the additional facts I've come across, and I look forward to his review of my second edition, along with his review of Moroni's America, Brought to Light, and the other books that will be released soon.]




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Notes

17. Kenneth W. Godfrey, “The Zelph Story,” BYU Studies 29/2 (Spring 1989): 31–56.
18. Kenneth W. Godfrey, “What is the Significance of Zelph in the Study of Book of Mormon Geography?” Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 8/2 (1999): 70–79; See also Roper, “Joseph Smith, Revelation and Book of Mormon Geography,” 62–70.
19. Since June 2014, Neville has run a blog devoted to attacking proponents of a Mesoamerican interpretation of the Book of Mormon, including me. In a post on December 7, 2014, he describes what I have written about Zelph as “deceptive” and falsely characterizes my writings as undermining the faith of Church members and “casting doubt on the early brethren.” His comments were originally made on Daniel Peterson’s Patheos blog “Sic et Non” under the handle MKeys, an allusion to his novel Moroni’s Keys.http://bookofmormonwars.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-tone-of-discussion.html
21. Bruce H. Porter and Rod L. Meldrum, Prophecies and Promises: The Book of Mormon and the United States of America (New York: Digital Legend, 2009).
22. Matthew Roper to Rodney Meldrum, 11 March 2010.
23. Rodney Meldrum to Matthew Roper, 12 March 2010.
24. Matthew Roper to Rodney Meldrum, 12 March 2010.
25. Roper, “Joseph Smith, Revelation, and Book of Mormon Geography,” 62–69.
26. Rod. L. Meldrum, Exploring the Book of Mormon in America’s Heartland: A Visual Journey of Discovery (New York: Digital Legend, 2011), 30, 32.
27. Joseph Smith to Emma Smith, 4 June 1834, in Jesse, Personal Writings of Joseph Smith, 345–46.
28. Matthew Roper, “Limited Geography and the Book of Mormon: Historical Antecedents and Early Interpretations,” FARMS Review 16/2 (2004): 241–42; Mark Alan Wright, “Heartland as Hinterland: The Mesoamerican Core and North American Periphery of Book of Mormon Geography,” Interpreter: A Journal of Mormon Scripture 13 (2015): 111–29.
29The Joseph Smith Papers: Journals. Volume 1:1832–1839, 271.
30. Alexander L. Baugh, “1838: Joseph Smith in Northern Missouri,” in Richard Holzapfel, ed.,Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer (Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University, 2010), 305. See also 305–7.
31. Pratt, Interesting Account, 17–18, emphasis added.
32. Wilford Woodruff to President John Taylor and Council, 15 September 1879, in Cowley,Wilford Woodruff (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1964), 521–28.
33. “Ancient Ruins in America,” The Mormon, 28 April 1855.
34. James LeSueur, “Ancient Nephite Ruins near Mesa, Arizona,” photographs, PH 1455, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Church History Library, Salt Lake City; Richard Francaviglia, The Mapmakers of New Zion: A Cartographic History of Mormonism (Salt Lake City: University of Utah Press, 2015), 180, Figure 5.16 and 5.17. See also J. W. LeSueur, Indian Legends (Independence: Zion’s Printing, 1927), 22, 79, 328–31.
35. Alexander L. Baugh, “Kirtland Camp, 1838: Bringing the Poor to Missouri,” Journal of Book of Mormon and Other Restoration Scripture 22/1 (2013): 58–61.
36. Journal of Samuel D. Tyler, 25 September 1838, MS 1761, Church Historian’s Department, Salt Lake City, emphasis added.
37. Matthew Roper, “How much weight can a single source bear? The case of Samuel D. Tyler’s Journal entry,” Journal of Book of Mormon and Other Restoration Scripture 22/1 (2013): 54–57.
38. Meldrum and Neville make the same assumption about Zarahemla.
39. “Book of Mormon Students Meet,” Deseret Evening News, 25 May, 1903. This was reprinted in the Journal of Book of Mormon and Other Restoration Scripture 22/2 (2013): 108–10.
40. Anthony W. Ivins, Conference Report, April 1929, 15–16.
41. Porter and Meldrum, Prophecies and Promises, 115–17; Meldrum, Exploring the Book of Mormon in America’s Heartland, 78–81; Neville, The Lost City of Zarahemla, 180, 330, 332. It may be of interest to note that the publication of Neville’s Lost City in February 2015 coincided with the announcement of efforts promoted by Wayne May and Rod Meldrum to purchase land in Iowa to excavate what they suggest to followers may be the ancient temple of Zarahemla. The promoters seem to envision a kind of Disneyland-like historical park. “If the temple site is verified, the plan is to continue the archaeological excavations at the site and begin the development of a new Native American Cultural Center along the lines of the Polynesian Cultural Center in Hawaii, complete with Native American villages, cultural museums, attractions, stages for performances, river boat rides across the Mississippi between Zarahemla and Nauvoo, etc. We believe that this will also contribute to the revitalization of Nauvoo and bring further positive interest and attention to the Church and its mission.” Meldrum states, “This could be an opportunity of a lifetime to be a part of a project that may forever change the understandings of the ancient history of America as well as validate in an unprecedented way the historicity of the Book of Mormon itself, the Prophet Joseph Smith and the Church he restored. … I would like to invite you to join with other fellow ‘Heartlanders’ to help us raise the funds for the purpose of conducting the archaeological studies and dig.”http://www.bookofmormonevidence.org/feature.php?id=29
42. Roper, “Joseph Smith, Revelation and Book of Mormon Geography,” 56–58.
43. Peter Crawley, A Descriptive Bibliography of the Mormon Church. Volume One 1830–1847, 69. Voice of Warning was not the quite the first Mormon missionary tract or the first to outline the tenets of the Latter-day Saints, but it was the first to emphasize the differences between Mormonism and orthodox Christianity. It established a formula for describing the Church’s basic doctrines, and it included biblical proof texts, arguments, and examples that would be used by Mormon pamphleteers for a hundred years. It was also an extremely effective missionary tract, and before the close of the century it would go through more than thirty editions in English and be translated into Danish, Dutch, French, German, Icelandic, Spanish, and Swedish,” Crawley, 71.
44. Terryl L. Givens and Matthew J. Grow, Parley P. Pratt: The Apostle Paul of Mormonism, 6
45. Givens and Grow, 90.
46. Givens and Grow, 114.
47. Givens and Grow, 103–104.
48. Givens and Grow, Parley P. Pratt, 114–15.
49. Benjamin Winchester, An Examination of a lecture delivered by the Rev. H. Perkins …(1840).
50. Benjamin Winchester, The Origin of the Spaulding story, concerning the Manuscript Found: with a short biography of Dr. P. Hurlbert … (Philadelphia: Brown, Bicking & Guilbert, 1840.
51. Crawley, Descriptive Bibliography, 145.
52. Crawley, Descriptive Bibliography, 146.
53. Benjamin Winchester, “The Claims of the Book of Mormon Established–It also Defended,”The Gospel Reflector 1/6 (15 March, 1841): 124–25.
54. Erastus Snow and Benjamin Winchester, An Address to the citizens of Salem and vicinity(Salem, 1841).
55. Parley P. Pratt, An Address by the minister of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, to the people of England (Manchester, 1840). Neville mistakenly attributes the words “flood of light” to Winchester when they actually come from his quotation of Pratt’s 1840 Address. The 1841 Snow and Winchester pamphlet introduced the discussion on the Book of Mormon with, “Elder P. P. Pratt writes upon this subject thus.”
56. Crawley, 172.
57. Benjamin Winchester, Synopsis of the Holy Scriptures, and concordance, in which the synonymous passages are arranged together … (Philadelphia: Book and Job Printing Office, 1842).
58. Benjamin Winchester, A History of Priesthood from the beginning of the world to the present time … (Philadelphia: Brown, Bicking & Guilbert, 1843).
59. Crawley, 229.
60. Winchester, “Claims of the Book of Mormon Established, 124–26.
61. Winchester, “Claims of the Book of Mormon Established, 105.
62. Orson Pratt, Interesting Account of Several Remarkable Visions, and of The Late Discovery of Ancient American Records (Edinburgh: Ballantyne and Hughes, 1840). “The success ofRemarkable Visions as a missionary tract is reflected in its numerous editions. Three times it was reprinted in New York, in 1841 and 1842. … It was repeatedly published in English, Danish, Dutch, and Swedish,” Crawley, 129.
63. Pratt, Interesting Account, 15–16.
64. Pratt, Interesting Account, 16–18.
65. Pratt, Interesting Account, 18.
66. Pratt, Interesting Account, 21.
67. S. A., “The Golden Bible, or, Campbellism Improved,” Observer and Telegraph, Hudson, Ohio, 18 November 1830, emphasis added.
68. “Mormonism,” Franklin Democrat, Pennsylvania, reprinted in the Fredonia Censor, 7 March, 1832, emphasis added.
69. “The Orators of Mormon,” Catholic Telegraph, 14 April 1832, emphasis added.
70. William Smith, “Evidences of the Book of Mormon,” Latter-day Saints’ Messenger and Advocate 3/4 January 1837): 434.
71. Frederick G. Williams, The Life of Dr. Frederick G. Williams Counselor to the Prophet Joseph Smith (Provo: BYU Studies, 2012), 437. On the background of this statement see “Did Lehi Land in Chile? An Assessment of the Frederick G. Williams Statement,” in Williams, 437–52.
72. Parley P. Pratt, Key to the Science of Theology (Liverpool: F. D. Richards, 1855), 22–23.
73. “Ancient American History,” Millennial Star 31/2 (11 January 1868): 22–23. This was a synopsis of a lecture delivered by George A. Smith at the Seventy’s Hall in Salt Lake City on 4 December 1867.
74. William Smith, William Smith on Mormonism (Lamoni, Iowa: 1883), 36.
75. Winchester, “Claims of the Book of Mormon Established,” 106.
76. Winchester, “Claims of the Book of Mormon Established,” 108. Compare A. Davis, Lecture on the Antiquities of Central America, and on the discovery of New England by the Northmen five hundred years before Columbus (New York and Boston: Bartlett and Company, Dutton and Wentworth, 1840), 5–7.
77. Winchester, “The Claims of the Book of Mormon Established,” 108–109. Compare Josiah Priest, American Antiquities (Albany: Hoffman and White, 1833), 241.
78. Winchester, “The Claims of the Book of Mormon Established,” 109.
79. Benjamin Winchester, “The Object of a Continuation of Revelation,” The Gospel Reflector, 1/5 (1 March 1841): 97.
80. William McLellin Journal III, April 14–21, 1833, in Jan Shipps and John W. Welch, eds., The Journals of William E. McLellin 1831–1836 (Urbana and Chicago: University of Illinois Press, 1994), 114–17; Parley P. Pratt, Autobiography of Parley P. Pratt (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1985), 69–70.
81. Pratt, Autobiography, 69.
82. J. M. Peck, A Gazetteer of Illinois … (Jacksonville: R. Goudy, 1834), 54–55, 53–54.
83Pratt, Autobiography, 70.
84. “Discovery of Ancient Ruins in Central America,” [71]. See also Mitchell K. Schaefer, ed.,William E. McLellin’s Lost Manuscript (Salt Lake City: Eborn Books, 2012), 168–69.
85. “Ruins of an Ancient American City,” Family Magazine 1/34 (7 December 1833): 266.
86. Parley P. Pratt, A Voice of Warning … Second Edition, Revised (New York: J. W. Harrison, 1839), 126–143.
87. S. Bennett, A Few Remarks by way of reply to an anonymous scribbler calling himself A Philanthropist disabusing the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of the slanders and falsehoods which he has attempted to fasten upon it (Philadelphia: Brown, Bicking & Guilbert, 1840), 3–4.
88. A Philanthropist of Chester County, Mormonism Umnasked, showed to be an impious imposture, and Mr. Bennett’s Reply answered and refuted (Philadelphia: T. K. & P. G. Collins, 1840), 4–5.
89. Benjamin Winchester to E. Robinson and Don Carlos Smith, 18 June 1839, Times and Seasons 1/1 (November 1839), 2–9.
90. Benjamin Winchester, 10 February 1840, Times and Seasons 1/7 (May 1840): 104.
91. Benjamin Winchester, 12 November 1841, Times and Seasons 3/2 (15 November 1841), 604–6.
92. Winchester, An Examination, 1840; The Origin of the Spaulding Story, 1840.
93. “[From the Bostonian] Mormons, or, `Latter Day Saints,’” Times and Seasons 3/21 (1 September 1842), 899–900.
94. Crawley, 229.
95. Winchester, A History of the Priesthood, 130.
96. “The recent discoveries of American antiquities, such as the remains of once splendid cities, spacious temples and edifices, an extensive quantity of hieroglyphics, catecombs, obelisks, acqueducts, viaducts, &c, &c., is sufficient to convince any rational person” not of the location of Zarahemla, but “that a nation existed upon this continent … who were enlightened, and understood the arts and sciences,” Winchester, A History of Priesthood, 137.