I'm posting this partial review here, even though it involved BYU Studies, because Smoot is one of the Interpreters. He's a great guy, smart, articulate, faithful, etc., which makes it all the more perplexing why he continues to promote SITH.
Partial review of Smoot article in BYU Studies:
https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/sight-and-power-to-translate-revelatory-translation-seership-and-joseph-smiths-scriptural-productions
The Translation of the Book
of Mormon
By Joseph Smith’s own
declaration, the Book of Mormon is the keystone of the Latter-day Saint faith.6
Smoot frames this as Joseph’s
“own declaration.”
We can reasonably infer that
Joseph said something like what Woodruff recorded, but it could also have been
Woodruf’s own characterization of what Joseph said. Historians should stop
repeating this as if it was a direct quotation of what Joseph said.
Fortunately, Smoot cited the
only source for this statement in note 6. This is Wilford Woodruff’s summary of
a day’s worth of Joseph’s teachings. Woodruff did not even put it in quotations
in his journal. Nevertheless, early Church historians converted Woodruff's
second-hand journal entry into a first-person statement, inserting it into
Joseph's history.
<28> Sunday 28. I spent the day in Council with the
Twelve <Apostles> at the house of President [Brigham] Young <conversing with them upon a
variety of subjects. Bro Joseph Fielding was present, having been absent 4 years on a mission to England. I told the brethren
that the book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the key
stone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than
by any other book.>
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-c-1-2-november-1838-31-july-1842/427
This history was then
incorporated into the official Introduction to the Book of Mormon as a
first-person statement by Joseph Smith.
Introduction to the Book of Mormon:
Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said:
“I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book
on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God
by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/introduction?lang=eng
Even if Woodruff had directly
quoted Joseph’s words, Smoot’s next assertion doesn’t follow.
This makes it striking and
perhaps even counterintuitive how reserved Joseph was in describing the process
of rendering the text.
We can infer from Woodruff’s
subjective summary that Joseph spent the day explaining how the Book of Mormon
brings people “nearer to God” because of its precepts, not because of its
origins. The origins are important for two purposes: (i) to show historicity of
the text (translated from actual ancient engravings on metal plates) and (ii)
to show the divine power and instrument that enabled to translated them.
During an 1831 conference of
elders in Ohio, Hyrum Smith solicited “information of the coming forth of the
Book of Mormon” from his brother, but the Prophet demurred, stating “that it
was not intended to tell the world all the particulars of the coming forth of
the book of Mormon.”7
This account of the conference
is often quoted and cited as an explanation for why Joseph did not give more
details about the translation, but that’s not what the request or answer
involved. It’s useful to see the entire exchange, which, like the Woodruff
quotation, is merely a summary:
Br. Hyrum
Smith said
that he thought best that the information of the coming forth of the book of Mormon be related by Joseph himself
to the Elders present that all might know
for themselves.
Br. Joseph Smith jr. said that it was not intended to
tell the world all the particulars of the coming forth of the book of Mormon, & also said that it was
not expedient for him to relate these things &c.
The phrase “coming forth of the
book of Mormon” involves far more than just the translation. From the first
visit of Moroni to the final publication in March 1830 there were many
“particulars” that could be related. For example, Brigham Young related Oliver
Cowdery’s account of visiting the repository of records in the Hill Cumorah,
but he emphasized that “Oliver… did not take the liberty of telling such things
in meeting as I take” (BY Trying to ¶7 • JD 19:38). Here Oliver acted
consistent with Joseph’s statement that “it was not intended to tell the world
all the particulars.” Brigham Young, who
was not in the Church in 1831, apparently felt less constrained by Joseph’s
caution. Joseph himself could have related particulars about how he, Oliver and
David, while moving from Harmony to Fayette, met the messenger who had the
abridged plates. He could have explained his encounters with Moroni and Nephi
and much more.
Along these lines, Note 21 in
the Joseph Smith Papers says
“To this point, JS apparently had not written a history
of the production of the Book of Mormon. In April 1834, he provided “a relation
of obtaining and translating the Book of Mormon” to a conference in Norton,
Ohio, though the conference minutes do not provide any other information about
what he said. An account was finally published in 1842, but it gave few
details.”
That JSP note oddly fails to
mention the 8 essays Oliver Cowder published in 1834-5, written with the
assistance of Joseph Smith, that describe in detail Moroni’s visit and the
hill Cumorah, as well as Oliver’s own experience as Joseph’s scribe (canonized
as the Note in Joseph Smith-History). The JSP note also ignores Joseph’s answer
to the recurring question about the origin of the Book of Mormon, which was
published in the Elders’ Journal. Smoot cites but does not quote this:
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/elders-journal-july-1838/10
Question 4th. How, and where did you obtain the
book of Mormon?
Answer. Moroni, the person who deposited the
plates, from whence the book of Mormon was translated, in a hill in Manchester,
Ontario County New York, being dead; and raised again therefrom, appeared unto
me, and told me where they were; and gave me directions how to obtain them. I
obtained them, and the Urim and Thummim with them; by the means of which, I
translated the plates; and thus came the book of Mormon.
While Joseph occasionally
recounted aspects of the book’s origin, his descriptions were
characteristically brief. In an 1833 letter to Noah Saxton,8 an
1843 letter to James Arlington Bennet,9 and
in accounts published in 1838 and 1842,10 he
described the translation as being accomplished through “the gift and power of
God” with the aid of divinely prepared stones—a sentiment he also expressed in
the preface to the 1830 first edition of the Book of Mormon.11
Smoot’s summary of these
accounts appears to be driven by his own theories. At the end of this post
there is a comparison table showing what Smoot wrote vs. the original sources.
Strangely, Smoot omitted Letter
IV, where Moroni tells Joseph Smith that
“this history was written and deposited not far from
that place, and that it was our brother’s privilege, if obedient to the
commandments of the Lord, to obtain and translate the same by the means of the
Urim and Thummim, which were deposited for that purpose with the record.”
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/68
The accounts Joseph and Oliver
did provide, formally published in Church-owned and affiliated publications,
consistently unambiguously explain that Joseph translated the engravings on the
plates by means of the Urim and Thummim that came with the plates. This is
evident to anyone who reads these accounts.
At the same time, Joseph
sometimes spoke of the Book of Mormon as the product of inspiration. In an 1840
discourse, he told a crowd that the book “was communicated to him, direct
from Heaven.” The auditor of the speech, Matthew L. Davis, recorded that
while Joseph claimed to be the “Author” of the book in a technical sense, “the
idea that he wished to impress was, that he had penned it as dictated by God.”12
Here we have another summary,
similar to Wilford Woodruff’s, of what Joseph said. The full account shows that
Joseph said that by following the precepts of the Bible, people would be saved
“whether Mormon or not.” That parallels Woodruff’s account that “by abiding by
its [the Book of Mormon’s] precepts,” people would get nearer to God. But in
this case, it is unclear whether Joseph was referring to the “Christian Bible”
or the “Mormon Bible.”
He closed by referring to the Mormon Bible, which, he
said, contained nothing inconsistent or conflicting with the Christian Bible.
And he again repeated, that all who would follow the precepts of the Bible
whether Mormon or not, would assuredly be saved….
The Mormon Bible, he said, was communicated to him,
direct from Heaven. If there was such a thing on Earth, as the Author of it,
then he (Smith) was the Author; but the idea that he wished to impress was,
that he had penned it as dictated by God.
The author wrote that the book
“was communicated to him, direct from Heaven,” which may have referred to the
translation or to Moroni’s visit or both. The author did not quote Joseph, but
instead conveyed “the idea” he believed Joseph wanted to convey, which could
well summarize Joseph’s explanation that he translated the plates by means of
the Urim and Thummim by the gift and power of God, just as Joseph always said.
By piecing together firsthand
statements from the Prophet and accounts from those who assisted in the
translation and publication of the text, historians have reconstructed a
reasonably reliable account of the miraculous events surrounding the translation.13
Every one of the sources cited
in Smoot’s note 13 contains omissions of relevant sources that corroborate what
Joseph and Oliver said, and most of them contain assumptions, inferences and
theories that contradict what Joseph and Oliver said.
It is not the purpose of this
article to revisit those details, which are already well known.
This is precisely the problem:
the details are not already well known because the cited scholars either
omitted them or declined to discuss them to the extent they supported what
Joseph and Oliver said.
Instead, to better understand
what Joseph meant when he said he translated the Book of Mormon “by the gift
and power of God,” I will examine the revelations he received during the
translation process. These revelations offer valuable insights into how Joseph
and his collaborators understood his role as a translator of new scripture.
This is a fair approach,
conceptually. But detaching the phrase “gift and power of God” from the Urim
and Thummim in those same passages is misleading at best.
- 6. “Remarks,
28 November 1841,” 112, Joseph Smith Papers, Church Historian’s Press,
accessed June 18, 2025, https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/remarks-28-november-1841/1.
“Sunday, I spent the day at Brigham Young’s in the company of Joseph
Smith and the Twelve, conversing on a variety of subjects. It was an
interesting day. Elder Joseph Fielding was present, he having been in
England for four years. We also met with a number of English brethren.
Joseph remarked that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book
on earth and the keystone of our religion, and that a man would get nearer
to God by abiding by its precepts than by any other book.” The spelling, punctuation,
and grammar of manuscript sources in this paper have been standardized,
whereas published historical sources are quoted in their original form.
- 7. “Minutes,
25–26 October 1831,” in Documents, Volume 2: July
1831–January 1833, ed. Matthew C. Godfrey, Mark Ashurst-McGee,
Grant Underwood, Robert J. Woodford, and William G. Hartley, Joseph Smith
Papers (Church Historian’s Press, 2013), 84, https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/minutes-25-26-october-1831/4.
- 8. “Letter
to Noah C. Saxton, 4 January 1833,” in Godfrey, and others,
eds., Documents, Volume 2, 354.
- 9. “Letter
to James Arlington Bennet, 13 November 1843,” 261.
- 10. “Elders’
Journal, July 1838,” 42, Joseph Smith Papers, Church Historian’s
Press, accessed June 18, 2025, https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/elders-journal-july-1838/10;
“‘Church History,’ 1 March 1842,” in Documents,
Volume 9: December 1841–April 1842, ed. Alex D. Smith,
Christian K. Heimburger, and Christopher James Blythe, Joseph Smith Papers
(Church Historian’s Press, 2019), 183, https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/times-and-seasons-1-march-1842/5#facts.
- 11. Joseph
Smith Junior, The Book of Mormon: An Account Written by the Hand
of Mormon, upon Plates Taken from the Plates of Nephi (Palmyra,
1830), iii, https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/book-of-mormon-1830/9.
- 12. “Discourse,
5 February 1840,” in Documents, Volume 7: September
1839–January 1841, ed. Matthew C. Godfrey, Spencer W. McBride,
Alex D. Smith, and Christopher James Blythe, Joseph Smith Papers (Church
Historian’s Press, 2017), 179, https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/discourse-5-february-1840/3,
emphasis original. The editors of the Joseph Smith Papers note that the
Prophet’s use of the term “author” for the Book of Mormon appears to
address claims that he either fabricated the text or borrowed it from
another source. Indeed, to meet copyright requirements, the 1830 first
edition of the Book of Mormon identified Joseph Smith as its “Author and
Proprietor.” See Miriam A. Smith and John W. Welch, “Joseph Smith:
‘Author and Proprietor,’” in Reexploring the Book of Mormon:
A Decade of New Research, ed. John W. Welch (Deseret Book,
1992), 154–57; Nathaniel Hinckley Wadsworth, “Copyright
Laws and the 1830 Book of Mormon,” BYU Studies 45,
no. 3 (2006): 77–96; and Royal Skousen, Analysis of Textual
Variants of the Book of Mormon, Part One:
1 Nephi–2 Nephi 10 (Foundation for Ancient
Research and Mormon Studies, 2014), 35–36. See also “Oliver Cowdery’s
Letter to Cornelius C. Blatchly, November 9, 1829,” in A Documentary
History of the Book of Mormon, ed. Larry E. Morris (Oxford
University Press, 2019), 374–75, for Oliver Cowdery’s explanation of why
Joseph is identified as the Book of Mormon’s “author” in the first
edition.
- 13. For
accessible accounts, see Brant A. Gardner, The Gift and Power:
Translating the Book of Mormon (Greg Kofford Books, 2007);
Michael Hubbard MacKay and Gerrit J. Dirkmaat, From Darkness unto
Light: Joseph Smith’s Translation and Publication of the Book of Mormon (Religious
Studies Center, Brigham Young University; Deseret Book, 2015); John W.
Welch, “Timing
the Translation of the Book of Mormon: ‘Days [and Hours] Never to Be
Forgotten,’” BYU Studies Quarterly 57, no. 4
(2018): 11–50; and Gerrit J. Dirkmaat and Michael Hubbard MacKay, Let’s
Talk about the Translation of the Book of Mormon (Deseret Book,
2023). For a compilation of relevant primary sources related to the coming
forth of the Book of Mormon, see Morris, ed., Documentary History
of the Book of Mormon; John W. Welch, “Documents of the Translation of
the Book of Mormon,” in Opening the Heavens: Accounts of Divine
Manifestations, 1820–1844, ed. John W. Welch, 2nd ed. (Brigham Young
University Press; Deseret Book, 2017), 126–227.
- 14. “Revelation,
July 1828 [D&C 3],” in Documents, Volume 1: July
1828–June 1831, ed. Michael Hubbard MacKay, Gerrit J. Dirkmaat,
Grant Underwood, Robert J. Woodford, and William G. Hartley, Joseph Smith
Papers (Church Historian’s Press, 2013), 8, https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/revelation-july-1828-dc-3/2#facts.
- 15. Joseph
Smith Junior, Oliver Cowdery, Sidney Rigdon, Frederick G. Williams, Doctrine
and Covenants of the Church of the Latter Day Saints: Carefully Selected
from the Revelations of God (Kirtland, Ohio, 1835), 157, https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/doctrine-and-covenants-1835/165,
hereafter cited as Doctrine and Covenants (1835).
- 16. Doctrine
and Covenants (1835), 163.
- 17. Readers
today must recognize that our earliest sources do not always clearly
distinguish between the Nephite “interpreters” buried with the plates
(Mosiah 8:19; 28:20; Alma 37:24–25)—a pair of transparent stones set in a
metal frame resembling spectacles, later called the Urim and Thummim (for
example, JS–H 1:35, 42, 52)—and Joseph Smith’s chocolate-colored,
oval-shaped seer stone, which he discovered as a young man and also used
in translating the record. Some of Joseph’s contemporaries occasionally
referred to the brown stone as the Urim and Thummim. For example, Wilford
Woodruff, “Journal (January 1, 1841–December 31, 1842),” December 27,
1841, Wilford Woodruff Papers, accessed June 27, 2025, https://wilfordwoodruffpapers.org/p/LZg),
adding to the ambiguity. Further complicating matters, the Nephite
“interpreters” functioned as seer stones, meaning that “both the
interpreters and the single stone apparently functioned in the same way
and both were used to translate the Book of Mormon.” Michael Hubbard
Mackay and Nicholas J. Frederick, Joseph Smith’s Seer Stones (Religious
Studies Center, Brigham Young University; Deseret Book, 2016), 50.
Therefore, we must be cautious in assuming that every use of the term Urim
and Thummim by Joseph or his contemporaries necessarily referred to the
Nephite interpreters. Careful attention to context and historical details
is essential in determining which instrument is being described in each
instance.
- 18. “Letter
from Elder W. H. Kelley,” Saints’ Herald 29,
no. 5 (March 1, 1882): 68, https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/303f8d3f-6090-4cdf-862e-eb90dea38f83/0/3,
emphasis original.
- 19. “Revelation,
March 1829 [D&C 5],” in MacKay, and others, eds., Documents,
Volume 1, 16, https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/revelation-march-1829-dc-5/1#facts.
- 20. Doctrine
and Covenants (1835), 158.
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Table of comparisons
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Smoot
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Original sources
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While Joseph occasionally recounted aspects of the
book’s origin, his descriptions were characteristically brief. In an 1833
letter to Noah Saxton,8
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Sexton letter:
The Book
of Mormon is a record of the forefathers of our western Tribes
of Indians, having been found through the ministration of an holy
Angel translated into our own Language by the gift
and power of God, after having been hid up in the earth for the last
fourteen hundred years31 containing the word of
God, which was delivered unto them, By it we learn that our western tribes of
Indians are desendants from that Joseph that was sold into Egypt, and
that the Land of America is a promised land unto them,32 and unto it all the tribes
of Israel will come. with as many of the gentiles as shall comply with the requesitions of the
new co[v]enant.
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an 1843 letter to James Arlington Bennet,9
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Bennet
letter:
the fact
is, that by the power of God I translated the book
of Mormon from hierogliphics; the knowledge of which was
lost to the world.12 In which wonderful
event, I stood alone, an unlearned youth, to combat the worldly wisdom
and multiplied ignorance of eighteen centuries. with a new revelation; which,
(if they would receive <it>)13 (the fulness of the
everlasting gospel) would open the eyes of more than eight
hundred millions of people,14 and make plain the “old
paths,” wherein if a man walk in all the ordinances of God blameless, he shall inherit
eternal life
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and in accounts published in 1838
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Elders’
Journal:
Question 4th.
How, and where did you obtain the book of Mormon?
Answer.
Moroni, the person who deposited the plates, from whence the book of Mormon was
translated, in a hill in Manchester, Ontario County New York, being dead; and
raised again therefrom, appeared unto me, and told me where they were; and
gave me directions how to obtain them. I obtained them, and the Urim and
Thummim with them; by the means of which, I translated the plates; and thus
came the book of Mormon.
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and 1842,10
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Wentworth
letter:
After having
received many visits from the angels of God unfolding the majesty, and glory
of the events that should transpire in the last days, on the morning of the
22d of September A. D. 1827, the angel of the Lord delivered the records into
my hands.
These
records were engraven on plates which had the appearance of gold, each
plate was six inches wide and eight inches long and not quite so thick as
common tin. They were filled with engravings, in Egyptian characters and
bound together in a volume, as the leaves of a book with three rings running
through the whole. The volume was something near six inches in thickness, a
part of which was sealed. The characters on the unsealed part were small, and
beautifully engraved. The whole book exhibited many marks of antiquity in its
construction and much skill in the art of engraving. With the records was
found a curious instrument which the ancients called “Urim and Thummim,”
which consisted of two transparent stones set in the rim of a bow
fastened to a breastplate.
Through
the medium of the Urim and Thummim I translated the record by the gift, and
power of God…. The principal nation of the second race fell in battle
towards the close of the fourth century. The remnant are the Indians that
now inhabit this country.
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he described the translation as being accomplished
through “the gift and power of God” with the aid of divinely prepared stones—
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Comment: It
is accurate that Joseph referred to “the gift and power of God” but he also
specifically named and described the Urim and Thummim that came with the
plates, which Smoot refers to here generically as “divinely prepared stones”
to accommodate SITH.
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a sentiment he also expressed in the preface to the
1830 first edition of the Book of Mormon.11
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Preface to
1830 edition:
As many false
reports have been circulated respecting the following work, and also many
unlawful measures taken by evil designing persons to destroy me, and
also the work, I would inform you that I translated, by the gift and
power of God, and caused to be written, one hundred and sixteen
pages, the which I took from the Book of Lehi, which was an account
abridged from the plates of Lehi, by the hand of Mormon; which
said account, some person or persons have stolen and kept from me,
notwithstanding my utmost exertions to recover it again—and being commanded
of the Lord that I should not translate the same over again,
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Omitted by Smoot
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1832 Boston Investigator
Q&A with Orson Hyde and Samuel Smith (a scribe)
https://www.mobom.org/urim-and-thummim-in-1832
Q.-In what
manner was the interpretation, or translation made known, and by whom was it
written?
A.-It was
made known by the spirit of the Lord through the medium of the Urim and
Thummim; and was written partly by Oliver Cowdery, and partly by Martin
Harris.
Q.-What do
you mean by Urim and Thummim?
A.-The same
as were used by the prophets of old, which were two crystal stones, placed in
bows something in the form of spectacles, which were found with the plates.
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Letter IV
this history
was written and deposited not far from that place, and that it was our
brother’s privilege, if obedient to the commandments of the Lord, to obtain
and translate the same by the means of the Urim and Thummim, which were
deposited for that purpose with the record.
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/68
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